4-betting ace-rag suited.
 

Lately I have been thinking a lot about adding 4-betting with ace-rag suited my game. Is this the way to go? Or should we just 4-bet/fold with junk like 46s, and 4-bet call with AQ+ 99+ or W/E?

Villian is regular TAG, we have no remarkable history yet. When I 4-bet and villian shoves, I can't fold anymore right?

Game #6029615994: Hold'em NL ($5/$10) - 2007/10/25 - 10:24:35 (DST)

Table "SilvisIllinois" Seat 3 is the button.

Seat 1: rosapante ($1777.74 in chips)
Seat 2: Villian ($1467.75 in chips)
Seat 3: Hero ($1118 in chips)

rosapante: posts small blind $5
Villian: posts big blind $10

----- HOLE CARDS -----

dealt to Hero [A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]

Hero: raises to $35
rosapante: folds
Villian: raises to $125
Hero: raises to $380
Villian: raises to $1467.75 and is all-in
Hero: is all-in $738

Re: 4-betting ace-rag suited.
 

perfect.

Re: 4-betting ace-rag suited.
 

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

308,214,720 games 0.125 secs 2,465,717,760 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 70.532% 69.08% 01.45% 212918412 4470906.00 { JJ+, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 1: 29.468% 28.02% 01.45% 86354496 4470906.00 { A9s }


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Calling the 5bet is wrong by a few percent it seems.

Re: 4-betting ace-rag suited.
 

I think villian is shoving TT, and maybe AJs and 99. Could also shove some pp more because this is 3-handed.

Re: 4-betting ace-rag suited.
 

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I think villian is shoving TT, and maybe AJs and 99. Could also shove some pp more because this is 3-handed.

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Unless he is frequently shoving pairs worse than 99 or unpaired hands we're ahead of, it doesn't matter:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

452,048,256 games 0.005 secs 90,409,651,200 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 69.907% 68.18% 01.72% 308216556 7797498.00 { 99+, AJs+, AJo+ }
Hand 1: 30.093% 28.37% 01.72% 128236704 7797498.00 { A9s }


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534,238,848 games 0.004 secs 133,559,712,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 67.455% 65.97% 01.49% 352414428 7958250.00 { 77+, AJs+, AJo+ }
Hand 1: 32.545% 31.06% 01.49% 165907920 7958250.00 { A9s }

In other words, calling the 5bet gets to be almost break-even in the case that he is 3betting AND 5betting with 77+ AJ+ every time he is dealt one of the hands in this range. If we add in KQs it becomes very marginally profitable. In this case he's shoving over your 4bet so wide that theres almost no way it shows a profit as a bluff, however.

Re: 4-betting ace-rag suited.
 

just 4bet to a smaller amount

Re: 4-betting ace-rag suited.
 

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just 4bet to a smaller amount

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And fold to a push?

Re: 4-betting ace-rag suited.
 

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just 4bet to a smaller amount

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And fold to a push?

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yes, 4 betting here is fine just gotta leave youyself room to fold

Re: 4-betting ace-rag suited.
 

just shove pf

Re: 4-betting ace-rag suited.
 

Your 4-bet size is absolutely atrocious. What reasons do you have for making it that amount?