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BarryLyndon 11-19-2007 12:51 PM

69+6: QQ raise UTG faces kinduv scary raise...what to do?
 
Hero has opened a lot from early because on massive heater, showed down AA once.

Villain1 is weak passive.
Villain2 has been TAG.

Hero (28000), UTG
Villain1 (13800), MP2
Villain2 (19,200), Button

Blinds 300/600/75

Hero raises to 1800 with QQ (bet size a bit off, but I raised 1800 once, so sticking to it), folds to Villain1 who flat calls, folds to Villain2 raises to 4200, folds to Hero who ?

Barry

KneeCo 11-19-2007 01:08 PM

Re: 69+6: QQ raise UTG faces kinduv scary raise...what to do?
 
If you've been opening a lot and MP2 is weak I think we got to call here and c/r AI on a rag flop.

BarryLyndon 11-19-2007 01:10 PM

Re: 69+6: QQ raise UTG faces kinduv scary raise...what to do?
 
ok, side question: What does villain2's raise mean?

Barry

pokerg1 11-19-2007 02:42 PM

Re: 69+6: QQ raise UTG faces kinduv scary raise...what to do?
 
u have more chips then him, i would call and hope no A or K comes on the flop

JesseB_11 11-19-2007 02:44 PM

Re: 69+6: QQ raise UTG faces kinduv scary raise...what to do?
 
Tough to interpret the small re-raise amount. It does look very strong tho, his range is probably something like: AQ+, 1010+. If you flat call MP2 is probably coming along.

If you flat call, I think you have to crai on any non A or K flop. He may however check behind if he misses the flop with AK or w/e so you lose some value there. I think I like a push here because if he has AA or KK it is tough to get away on most flops anyway and I doubt hes folding to a push now.

CDAC 11-19-2007 02:51 PM

Re: 69+6: QQ raise UTG faces kinduv scary raise...what to do?
 
I think this is 77+, AJ+, KQ, maybe a few others. If he has the same read on Villain 1 as you, he is just playing against you and has overlay to do it. With the 4200 raise, he can still fold if you 3 bet/shove. If this were KK+, I think he makes it 5k-ish. That leaves him a PSB shove on a good flop. If you fold, he picks up the dead money in the pot and moves on to the next hand.

I think he folds to a shove, so against his range I like call and then try to get it in on the flop.

meh. This is probably why I suck.

ChipSpeak 11-19-2007 03:43 PM

Re: 69+6: QQ raise UTG faces kinduv scary raise...what to do?
 
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Tough to interpret the small re-raise amount. It does look very strong tho, his range is probably something like: AQ+, 1010+.

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Ok, so are you reraising an UTG raise w 10-10.. JJ, AQo (if so, why?)
read is villsin is TAG, I don't think we're seeing this from a TAG w 1010-JJ or AQo.

CDAC 11-19-2007 05:11 PM

Re: 69+6: QQ raise UTG faces kinduv scary raise...what to do?
 
Was this the first time you had seen the villain 3 bet?

tinty 11-19-2007 06:17 PM

Re: 69+6: QQ raise UTG faces kinduv scary raise...what to do?
 
I can't decide whether this is a really weak squeeze attempt(88+ AJ+) or he's lining himself up for a PSB shove on any board (KK+ AK).

Therefore if you shove he's only folding what you beat except maybe AK, so i'd call and get it all in on non AK flops.

Rupert 11-19-2007 10:00 PM

Re: 69+6: QQ raise UTG faces kinduv scary raise...what to do?
 
No one else think this is an easy shove?
You lay 4200+1800+19200+300+600+600=25700 to 19200-4200=1500 if you shove, he's hardly folding TT here is he?


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