JJ overpair to board against semi lag player
 

Villain was 24, 18, 3. I dont know if you guys would call this semi lag, but anyways; How do you guys play this flop against this type of opponent? Thanks

Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $260.70
SB: $228.50
BB: $101.30
Hero (UTG): $247.95
CO: $336.65

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $8</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $24</font>, BB folds, Hero calls $16

Flop: ($50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $50</font>, <font color="red">Hero ?

Re: JJ overpair to board against semi lag player
 

without a read easy fold imo
i can see him potting with AK but even then you're flipping

Re: JJ overpair to board against semi lag player
 

[ QUOTE ]
without a read easy fold imo
i can see him potting with AK but even then you're flipping

[/ QUOTE ]

you dont think a guy with this high of a pfr is 3 betting 66, 77, 88, 99, 10 10 and the potting the flop?

Re: JJ overpair to board against semi lag player
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
without a read easy fold imo
i can see him potting with AK but even then you're flipping

[/ QUOTE ]

you dont think a guy with this high of a pfr is 3 betting 66, 77, 88, 99, 10 10 and the potting the flop?

[/ QUOTE ]

An AF of 3 isnt this high, it's just about right.
Without a read i wouldnt assume villian to make silly moves like that.

Re: JJ overpair to board against semi lag player
 

His AF is 3.0. thats fine, aggressive yes. im talkin about his pre flop raise percentage. what does af have to do with this. if he has 66-10 10, hes c-betting this flop everytime. do u think a pfr raise of 18 isnt that high? is that what u meant?

Re: JJ overpair to board against semi lag player
 

Hmmmm, i guess his range is like 99+ and AK, AQs. the pot sized flop bet is prob saying he wants to take the pot down here adn doesn't want to see more cards, kinda smells like 9's, 10's, J's or queens. maybe aces or kings with the two-flush on the board, or AK/Q clubs. AT worst he has a small pair over the board. its hard to raise this because when you do you're calling an all in, i'd just fold and get rid of it. you're not sure where you are and its too expensive to find out when you might be beat or racing against Axc

edited for clarity

Re: JJ overpair to board against semi lag player
 

[ QUOTE ]
His AF is 3.0. thats fine, aggressive yes. im talkin about his pre flop raise percentage. what does af have to do with this. if he has 66-10 10, hes c-betting this flop everytime. do u think a pfr raise of 18 isnt that high? is that what u meant?

[/ QUOTE ]

sorry, misread.
his pfr isnt that high either though.

Re: JJ overpair to board against semi lag player
 

Not the best spot in the world but I think you have to go broke here.

I don't know too much about how the pokerstars 1-2 game plays, but in the games I play his flop bet means draw or vulnerable made hand a lot.

I raise and call a shove here.

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre> Board: 5d 3c 2c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 81.209% 79.95% 01.26% 22163 348.00 { JdJh }
Hand 1: 18.791% 17.54% 01.26% 4861 348.00 { TT-77, AcKc, AcQc, 7c6c, 6c5c }
</pre><hr />

The only thing making me a bit reluctant to put my money in is the fact that he is 24/18. Been better against a 24/22 but whatever.

Re: JJ overpair to board against semi lag player
 

i think u forgot to put qq, kk, aa in stove there.

Re: JJ overpair to board against semi lag player
 

just made another stove calc with KK and QQ in there as well

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>Board: 5d 3c 2c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 59.710% 58.36% 01.35% 23111 534.00 { JdJh }
Hand 1: 40.290% 38.94% 01.35% 15421 534.00 { KK-QQ, TT-77, AcKc, AcQc, 7c6c, 6c5c }
</pre><hr />