$114 - weird bubble shortiness
 

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t600 with t50 antes (4 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

CO (t295)
Hero (t975)
SB (t8390)
BB (t3840)

Preflop: Hero is in Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
CO calls t245 (All-in), Hero?

Don't think reads matter too much here. Hmmmm.

Re: $114 - weird bubble shortiness
 

With t975 you need to push. Fold if you have > t985.

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I muck. Even if CO wins here he is still forced all in again next hand. Also our hand is worse than a random hand (sb+bb) as well as what should be a better than random hand (CO) Lets just hope SB/BB check it down and you limp into 3rd

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I think this is an easy fold. You have zero fold equity with a shove, and like Scotty said CO doesn't have too much hope of outlasting you. You should play for third at this point.

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Shillx certainly knows the numbers better than me so getting it in can't be bad. I would have guessed fold. Flip it in if they're suited.

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How is this not an instant fold Shillx?

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How is this not an instant fold Shillx?

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Because everyone will be in the pot and the only way we bubble is if shorty beats EVERYONE.

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Don't think reads matter too much here. Hmmmm.

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I think there's one read that matters ...is BB dumb enough to fold?

More seriously though, I would think that this mathematically is probably closer than it seems due to the aspect of actually winning the hand and your $EV. Bah, haven't done this kind of math in soooo long.

Re: $114 - weird bubble shortiness
 

First of all, I think calling is better than shoving since it guarantees a 'call' from BB, and SB will have better odds. I'm still not sure if it's correct though. SB could fold if he's bad. If you fold, he has to win 2 all ins in a row, probably against multiple opponents. If you're pretty positive that SB will complete if you call, then calling is probably right.

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First of all, I think calling is better than shoving since it guarantees a 'call' from BB, and SB will have better odds. I'm still not sure if it's correct though. SB could fold if he's bad. If you fold, he has to win 2 all ins in a row, probably against multiple opponents. If you're pretty positive that SB will complete if you call, then calling is probably right.

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Yes, I like a call better, it will invite everybody to call.

we are definitely going to call if SB push right?