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JJack 11-17-2007 06:35 PM

fold pocet KK after turn raise?
 

$0.50/$1.00

BB ($20.37) 30.8/15.4/1.57 - 52 hands
UTG+1 ($49.25) (Hero)


Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP3 calls, BB

calls,

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ( 6.25BB )
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero

calls,

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ( 10.75BB )
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>,

Final Pot: 13.0BB

Do you play it the same?

Aaron W. 11-17-2007 06:55 PM

Re: fold pocet KK after turn raise?
 
I don't like to fold overpairs, especially to very aggressive villains. When he caps the flop and checks the turn, you've got to decide whether you are willing to show this down for 3 BB or 1 BB. For 1 BB, check behind and call a river bet, for 3 BB bet-call, call.

Fadook 11-17-2007 07:28 PM

Re: fold pocet KK after turn raise?
 
I'd rather check behind the turn and call a bet on the river. After the flop cap, BB's turn check suggests he's getting really fancy.

Martina 11-17-2007 07:54 PM

Re: fold pocet KK after turn raise?
 
I think I would check/call the turn and check/call the river. I figured villain had AA, so I'd get to see the showdown cheaply. Would this be an acceptable play?

Aaron W. 11-17-2007 08:07 PM

Re: fold pocet KK after turn raise?
 
[ QUOTE ]
I think I would check/call the turn and check/call the river. I figured villain had AA, so I'd get to see the showdown cheaply. Would this be an acceptable play?

[/ QUOTE ]

We would have to be out of position for that.... so no.

Martina 11-17-2007 08:23 PM

Re: fold pocet KK after turn raise?
 
My bad, I am new...

TomTom 11-17-2007 08:56 PM

Re: fold pocet KK after turn raise?
 
Villain check raises you flop and turn? Suspicious….

Have you seen him do this with less then a set? I’ve seen hyper agg players who bet more the weaker they are.

Given you bet the turn call him down and get a read, and remember AQ is well within his range here.

Xylocain 11-17-2007 09:19 PM

Re: fold pocet KK after turn raise?
 
If Im betting the turn I dont think Im calling the c-r without a mainiacal read.

JJack 11-17-2007 09:54 PM

Re: fold pocet KK after turn raise?
 
After thinking I like check turn call river bet line.
I risk to much at turn bet/fold.
If I will check behind I he will have up to 5 outs redraw so its 10% equity. I give him free card which will cost me max 10% of the post so its at turn 0.6 BB.
But I will also induce bluff about 50% times possilble so overall I pay about 0.1BB to dont fold my best hand when Im ahead and villan will make BIG bluff.

Is my math correct?

Bulletproof Monk 11-17-2007 10:45 PM

Re: fold pocet KK after turn raise?
 
b/c turn

and call river


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