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BJJIII 11-28-2007 10:58 AM

$100NL-Top pair & Flush draw in BB
 
Ok sorry dont have a hand history as I am at work.

Villian is 15/5/2
Hero 22/12/3

Effective stacks ~$80

UTG(Villian) Raises to $3.50
MP Calls $3.50
BB(Hero) calls $2.50 and is dealt J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]10 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Flop is J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Hero Checks,Villian Bets $9, MP folds, Hero raises $88.50

Villian tanks and calls $67 with K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Turn: Brick
River: Brick

Is this a normal spot to want to get it all in on the flop if possible or should you want to play it a little slower than how I played it vs such a tight player who raised UTG?

AlexB182 11-28-2007 11:09 AM

Re: $100NL-Top pair & Flush draw in BB
 
I don't know if I push flop but I def have no problem to play for stacks here...

guaranteedBluff 11-28-2007 11:15 AM

Re: $100NL-Top pair & Flush draw in BB
 
you should play this hand like you'd play a set.

generally, bet/3bet would be better here (and also with a set) because of the huge size of your check raise.

Landlord79 11-28-2007 11:16 AM

Re: $100NL-Top pair & Flush draw in BB
 
Hand looks a little obvious to me if I were the UTG player. Doesn't look like a set at all which reduces your fold equity. Maybe PSR on flop then donk AI on the turn.

BJJIII 11-28-2007 11:22 AM

Re: $100NL-Top pair & Flush draw in BB
 
[ QUOTE ]
Hand looks a little obvious to me if I were the UTG player. Doesn't look like a set at all which reduces your fold equity. Maybe PSR on flop then donk AI on the turn.

[/ QUOTE ]

I really like getting it all in on the flop with 2 cards to come rather than with only one to come. Seems like I have better luck that way [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

I dont think I want him to fold his hand, what can I say I like the action!!

I am the eternal holder of the luckbox!!!, just not this time.

Landlord79 11-28-2007 11:50 AM

Re: $100NL-Top pair & Flush draw in BB
 
<font color="blue"> BJJIII </font> (9:24:17 AM): am i really wanting him to fold KK
<font color="blue"> BJJIII </font> (9:24:24 AM): NO
<font color="blue"> BJJIII </font> (9:24:35 AM): so Fold Equity doesnt come into play IMO
<font color="blue"> BJJIII </font> (9:25:14 AM): once again <font color="blue"> BJJIII </font> (8:48:03 AM): i dont understand you sometimes
<font color="red"> Landlord </font> (9:25:18 AM): you're missing part of the profits of semi-bluffs
<font color="red"> Landlord </font> (9:25:34 AM): you win money when they fold
<font color="blue"> BJJIII </font> (9:25:51 AM): i win more money when they call
<font color="blue"> BJJIII </font> (9:25:54 AM): and i win
<font color="red"> Landlord </font> (9:26:02 AM): yes, but you lose when you don’t improve
<font color="blue"> BJJIII </font> (9:26:11 AM): im not semibluffing
<font color="blue"> BJJIII </font> (9:26:14 AM): i have a made hand
<font color="blue"> BJJIII </font> (9:26:20 AM): but just not the best hand
<font color="red"> Landlord </font> (9:26:22 AM): a worse made hand w/ a redraw
<font color="blue"> BJJIII </font> (9:27:02 AM): dont you feel better getting it all in with 2 to come?
<font color="blue"> BJJIII </font> (9:27:06 AM): rather than with just one
<font color="red"> Landlord </font> (9:27:14 AM): i feel better about winning money
<font color="red"> Landlord </font> (9:27:25 AM): you repped a big draw
<font color="red"> Landlord </font> (9:27:28 AM): not a set
<font color="red"> Landlord </font> (9:27:58 AM): as stated in the thread, you should play big draws like you would play a set
<font color="red"> Landlord </font> (9:28:09 AM): gets money in and maximizes fold equity
<font color="blue"> BJJIII </font> (9:28:27 AM): ok
<font color="blue"> BJJIII </font> (9:28:33 AM): ill try that next time
<font color="blue"> BJJIII </font> (9:29:20 AM): so a lead and 3 bet would have been better?
<font color="blue"> BJJIII </font> (9:29:24 AM): on the flop
<font color="blue"> BJJIII </font> (9:29:35 AM): and then open shove the turn
<font color="red"> Landlord </font> (9:29:43 AM): yeah, looks like you're protecting against the FD
<font color="red"> Landlord </font> (9:30:08 AM): a lead and 3 bet would probably be an AI, but it wouldn't be as bad as CRAI
<font color="blue"> BJJIII </font> (9:30:43 AM): the CRAI was bad
<font color="red"> Landlord </font> (9:30:49 AM): yeah
<font color="red"> Landlord </font> (9:30:59 AM): he folds AK is about all
<font color="blue"> BJJIII </font> (9:31:24 AM): i want him to call
<font color="red"> Landlord </font> (9:31:23 AM): your value comes from FE, then from when you make your hand
<font color="blue"> BJJIII </font> (9:31:43 AM): i win there 50%
<font color="red"> Landlord </font> (9:31:51 AM): so, you wanna coin flip for $50?
<font color="blue"> BJJIII </font> (9:32:05 AM): i like the action
<font color="red"> Landlord </font> (9:32:02 AM): your edge is FE
<font color="red"> Landlord </font> (9:32:11 AM): I LIKE THE ACTION
<font color="red"> Landlord </font> (9:32:14 AM): you're sick
<font color="red"> Landlord </font> (9:32:15 AM): lol
<font color="blue"> BJJIII </font> (9:32:32 AM): Gamboooool
<font color="red"> Landlord </font> (9:32:33 AM): Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
<font color="blue"> BJJIII </font> (9:32:53 AM): well what about farha yesterday
<font color="blue"> BJJIII </font> (9:33:06 AM): he likes the action
<font color="red"> Landlord </font> (9:33:03 AM): he had 2 overs and a FD
<font color="blue"> BJJIII </font> (9:33:22 AM): same as top pair and a FD
<font color="blue"> BJJIII </font> (9:33:24 AM): same %
<font color="red"> Landlord </font> (9:33:29 AM): mostly
<font color="red"> Landlord </font> (9:33:45 AM): one more out for him though
<font color="blue"> BJJIII </font> (9:34:27 AM): thats the diff b/t me an you
<font color="blue"> BJJIII </font> (9:34:35 AM): you play it by the cuff
<font color="blue"> BJJIII </font> (9:34:46 AM): take 0 chances
<font color="red"> Landlord </font> (9:34:58 AM): i gambool plenty, I just pick my spots
<font color="red"> Landlord </font> (9:35:10 AM): this was a good spot, you just approached it wrong
<font color="red"> Landlord </font> (9:35:23 AM): you took the skill out and left it up to the cards
<font color="blue"> BJJIII </font> (9:35:45 AM): true
<font color="blue"> BJJIII </font> (9:36:16 AM): next time I'll play it like a set
<font color="blue"> BJJIII </font> (9:36:35 AM): learn something new everyday


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