4/180 spot, big draw
 

4/180, 40 or so players left, stack is slightly below average. Lots of outs but I feel like my FE is pretty much zero. What do you guys like best, fold/call/push? Comments on PF raise are OK as well (my image is fairly tight, I think, FWIW).

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (7 handed) internettexasholdem.com

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

MP1 (t9806)
<font color="#C00000">Hero (t5713)</font>
CO (t900)
Button (t6767)
SB (t12140)
<font color="#C00000">BB (t11161)</font>
UTG (t3125)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t600</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls t600, SB calls t500, BB calls t400.

Flop: (t2250) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t200</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t1400</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero...</font>

Re: 4/180 spot, big draw
 

I fold this preflop w/o antes.

once you get to the flop i think you have to push. Calling isn't any good cause you're spewing 1400 chips 75% of the time. With t4850 in teh pot and 5100 behind you're getting great odds on your push.

Re: 4/180 spot, big draw
 

I think the pot size is messed up, should be at least 2400 right? Without antes, fold PF. You really shouldn't be up against another flush draw since I can't think of a Qc that would get here with another club, so shove flop.

Re: 4/180 spot, big draw
 

I'm pretty sure folding here preflop is the definition of nitty.

Re: 4/180 spot, big draw
 

What's a good flop for you in this situation?

You raised in middle position with T9s, what for me was a mistake when there were 4 players to act after you (I like this play on the button, but in your position I think it's too loose.

Now you have a straight flush draw, that I think is the best hand you can expect after your raise. Surely you don't have the best hand right now, but if you get your flush or your straight, your hand is very well disguised by your raise pre-flop.
I would call right now because I'm expecting the SB call. But I would put my chips in the middle all the time.

Re: 4/180 spot, big draw
 

PF is meh, I dont love it, but I dont hate it either. Flop, easy easy push.

Re: 4/180 spot, big draw
 

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I'm pretty sure folding here preflop is the definition of nitty.

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I agree. I think raising here is perfectly fine, and I probably do it almost all the time.

On the flop I can't decide if I like pushing or calling better. Definitely can't go wrong with pushing. I agree that you have very little FE, but maybe he folds a weaker ace sometimes?

One thing I worry about just calling is if he will pay you off if you hit. I'm pretty sure he will, but it's another argument for pushing.

Re: 4/180 spot, big draw
 

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What's a good flop for you in this situation?

You raised in middle position with T9s, what for me was a mistake when there were 4 players to act after you (I like this play on the button, but in your position I think it's too loose.


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Its never a mistake opening a pot from here with jc10c (not t9s ;o)), and I like the raise size. A lot of the time you take the blinds which are ample enough, and usually the worst case is your in position against a randomish hand. Any meaningful re-raise lets us throw it away here, so id say its quite acceptable, and a lot of loosish players will raise with a lot less.

In this case we picked up more callers than we would like but as already said, because of this and thus the pot size, you have to shove and hope.

Re: 4/180 spot, big draw
 

easy shove at the flop. since you didn't take down the blinds like you probably wanted to, I think this is one of the better results you could've asked for on a flop. you obviously have to catch up but this is just too good of a spot to turn down.

Re: 4/180 spot, big draw
 

Well, you're in the pot now...shove flop.