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Joe Tall 07-19-2007 02:43 AM

40 T9s in the BB, more than one street to play. EDITED
 
Live 40

UTG is a solid player but seems to be tilting a bit, trying to bump up the stakes and yapping on how he plays so high at other casions, etc.

He straddles.

Folded to the SB who is a spew-tard, jibber-jabber mouth, he asks the dealer, "is that a straddle?", the dealer says yes, and he 3-bets. I call 2 cold in the BB w/T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], UTG calls.

3 to the flop for 9SBs.

Flop 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

The SB bets and I raise, UTG now 3-bets, SB calls 2, I call.

3 to the turn for 9BBs.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

SB checks...Your action?

Comments on all streets appreciated.

bigjoet 07-19-2007 03:27 AM

Re: 40 T9s in the BB, more than one street to play. EDITED
 
bet/3 if utg raises? just call if sb raises and fold if it's 2 cold back to you?

Nyquiz 07-19-2007 07:35 AM

Re: 40 T9s in the BB, more than one street to play. EDITED
 
I guess it depends on how I read the "is that a straddle" and subsequent body language/action. In this position given player descriptions I put you ahead by a mile. I bet/call this turn. Given the description of UTG I'm not a huge fan of a c/r but i guess that depends on what he is going to bet here given his tilty-ness. I think PF and flop are fine.

EDIT: Re-reading the OP I guess I'm not too keen on the flop raise, probably would have just called.

private joker 07-19-2007 08:28 AM

Re: 40 T9s in the BB, more than one street to play. EDITED
 
Flop play looks a little spewy, but whatever I'm a tightwad.

On the turn I'm not really too worried about a flush here. It's a 3-way pot with a straddle and 2 blind hands; UTG looks to have been trying to protect a Q, and SB may have an 8 or a worse Q. So I guess you're thinking of whether to bet or checkraise... given those choices I like a bet. It gives you the option of 3-betting and charging the [censored] out of someone with a big diamond, and protects UTG from taking a free card if he wants one. And if SB does happen to have the flush, he'll checkraise now and let you know without having to put any more chips in the pot.

Also, checkraising might make the river tougher if a diamond falls, because you are more likely to be against 2 opponents than 1. Betting might narrow it to heads up, and you'll have a more obvious line to take depending on what the river card is.

HOWMANY 07-19-2007 08:43 AM

Re: 40 T9s in the BB, more than one street to play. EDITED
 
Bet/3. I could see myself falling dead on the spot if I let this turn get checked through. If it's 2 more back to you probably fold. If it's Russ calls and spazz c/r I 3bet still because he's a tardo and can have a set easily.

There are a lot of posts/discussion about Russ lately it seems.

*edit*
You can't possibly fold preflop and I think capping is pointless. Flop is fine. You can call too but your way gives you opportunity for free card or win pot UI on turn depending on what you think you may be up against.

Holm Fries 07-19-2007 09:28 AM

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bet/3 if utg raises? just call if sb raises and fold if it's 2 cold back to you?

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I can't see anything that involves folding as being correct.

daryn 07-19-2007 09:43 AM

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turn is a must bet imo. the real question is what to do if it gets raised. i like a call and maybe even a river lead depending on the card and the player(s).

KitCloudkicker 07-19-2007 09:44 AM

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turn is a must bet imo. the real question is what to do if it gets raised. i like a call and maybe even a river lead depending on the card and the player(s).

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why a stop and go?

rafiki 07-19-2007 10:38 AM

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I'm hoping we didn't spew on the flop just to slow down on the turn once we got there. Bet and call down if required.

brettbrettr 07-19-2007 11:43 AM

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Bet and try not to fold.


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