200/400 stud/8 hand that plays like stud high
 

At Commerce Friday night I played 200/400 ET mix (stud/8 and triple draw). This was a tough stud/8 hand I found myself in:

2 brings in, I complete with (QQ)5 with a King and two jacks behind me (5 handed game), the king coldcalls and the first jack coldcalls and the bring in calls. P1 with the King is a very good solid player, this coldcall means at least split kings. P2 with the Jack is a weird, sort of bad playing girl. She is sometimes aggressive, and an ok hand reader, but she is too loose on 3rd street, chases too far for half the pot, and basically is a fish but not awful in the game. The bringin is insignificant.

On 4th:
me: (QQ)5T
P1: (??)K9
P2: (??)JA
bringin: (??)29

Checked to P1 who bets, P2 calls, bring folds, I "peel".

5th:
me: (QQ)5T5
P1: (??)K94
P2: (??)JA3

I check, P1 bets, P2 raises! Action on me, my Q's, 5's and T's are super live, and no one has a clue what I have. Play and plan?

-DeathDonkey

Re: 200/400 stud/8 hand that plays like stud high
 

4th street is close to a fold but you are closing in what is a decent sized pot.

I'd rather see you bet 5th, you are putting the K in a very tight spot with your board and the board to act behind him. Now, you have to fold, however.

Re: 200/400 stud/8 hand that plays like stud high
 

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Unless the girl is projecting a lot of strength. Are suits important here? IE can the girl have started with a 3 flush and now have Aces? 4 flush+4 low? Her having exactly A3 3 flush in the hole or AJ/rolled up are the only things I'd be afraid of, but given her description I think we need to continue. And if we're going to continue I'd much rather get it HU with 1 person try to run us down than 2.

Assuming she just calls and you blank on 6th I bet and then c/c river probably.

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4th street is close to a fold but you are closing in what is a decent sized pot.

I'd rather see you bet 5th, you are putting the K in a very tight spot with your board and the board to act behind him. Now, you have to fold, however.

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I fold 4th while gritting my teeth. I agree you must lead 5th, but I cant fold... I wanna Jam but I know its wrong. Problem is calling feels just as dirty as jamming. I honestly dont know whats best on 5th as played.

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I am almost positive that calling 5th is the worst play.

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Wouldn't the solid guy raise with split Kings? Wouldn't he call with (A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]? I don't see why he "has" to have Kings here. Maybe when he bets K9o on fourth you give him credit for Kings, but not for calling on third.

Anyway, I call fourth but don't like it. I see no reason not to bet out on fifth. Having checked, your hand almost can't be good once it's bet and raised. Even if it is somehow currently best, you've likely got one guy drawing to Kings and the other drawing to Aces. Meanwhile, two pair is tough to fill. I can't see continuing after this action.

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I am almost positive that calling 5th is the worst play.

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I agree.

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I am almost positive that calling 5th is the worst play.

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I think its just as bad as jamming.

Re: 200/400 stud/8 hand that plays like stud high
 

I originally misread and thought the girl caught the A on 5th street. Since she caught on 4th and didn't raise there with a potential low to drive out, I think AJ down is unlikely.

She could have a fluke 333 or JJJ (very badly played), but you should definitely be ahead often enough to jam here. I would be inclined to put her on an A high 3-flush on 3rd. Or maybe a strong play with just spit jacks.

Also as someone else said split kings is very unlikely from a good player.

I also think your check on 5th is correct. You would be checking most of your lows here.

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Are suits important here?

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Very! 3rd street for the J-hand as it looks like "J-baby-baby-suited/picked up the Ace-low/picked up my 4th suited, RAISE" on 5th!

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RAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSINNNNNNNNNNNN IT

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You've had that dealer at Oceans too much!! He's the nicest guy in th world, a good dealer but I've yet to decide if the "RAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSINNNNN IT" is good or not. I think I like it when he's at my table but dont when I'm at the other tables.