10k Hands - what the hell is wrong with my stats?
 

hey folks, this is my first post [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
i began playing poker about 2 months ago, didnt even knew there were community cards before i started. i cashed in 300$ and i played 10k hands now on everest, trying to do some winning without really trying to learn the theory. only read sklanskys top but didnt really help me. i won about 200$ before getting beaten again and again, now i ended up with 100$ left in my bankroll, at least i completed my bonus on everest..haha..
i now started to read some articles and looked at my hands, started to analyze my play. thats where you come in, could you give me some suggestions or advice on my numbers and stats or anything else? i dont want to go broke at all.. and i really want to learn how to play this game properly.
cheers and thanks!


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Re: 10k Hands - what the hell is wrong with my stats?
 

Is this full ring or 6 max? In either case I would say people aren't really giving you credit considering you are raising almost every hand you are in preflop, I imagine this requries a lot of 3 betting.

Your postflop aggression factor is really high as well, so I think people are probably going to be trapping you a lot because they know you are going to bet.

I would play a little more straightforward ABC poker and you should see your Went to SD go down, your Won$ at SD go up and your Total AF come down to around 2 or 3.

If you are 3 betting a lot, maybe tighten up your range just a bit for that. Your opponents are going to catch on very quick if you are 3 betting them light.

Re: 10k Hands - what the hell is wrong with my stats?
 

Your sample sizes at NL25 and NL2 are too small to really matter so I'll ignore them.

You being 22/21 really doesn't look at that bad for someone who just got started. You might back off that a little to maybe 19/16 or so at those limits (though it's not unreasonable at all in other circumstances), and you might be c-betting a little too much and prob 3-betting too light.

But, you should maybe post some hand histories or a graph and so on. 10k hands and those stats leaves a lot of room for problems we can't see. You could be minraising or something

Re: 10k Hands - what the hell is wrong with my stats?
 

ok, its everything 6 max. i always took the tables with the highest %pot and % of pf raise. yeah thats right i c-bet a lot and i get caught a lot if i think about it..ok i will try to find some handhistories and heres my graph..so sad [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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Ok, well, if you have $100 drop to NL5. You're probably going to continue bleeding off $ but you might as well slow it down while you learn.

I'd get on one of the training sites if you can afford it, even if it means you can't play real money poker for a while. It's nice to dive right in (that's how a lot of us who started pre-boom started out), but at some point it will help you greatly to pay your dues and study up a bit.

There are a number of good books, DVDs, articles to help. You might want to start over at the uNL forum and read their stickies. That doesn't cost anything and their advice is pretty solid.

Re: 10k Hands - what the hell is wrong with my stats?
 

ok, thanks for the advice...er, unl forum? sorry for the question.

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/po...oard=microplnl

Microstakes forum, read the stickies they are full of lots of useful information.

Re: 10k Hands - what the hell is wrong with my stats?
 

Wow..

You have some pretty strange stats. I don't really get it. You are pretty laggy preflop which is fine. You are very aggro postflop with is good. Yet you get to showdown >30% of the time. These 3 numbers don't add up. Plus you W$ASD is really low. Try to not take so many weak holding to showdown. Again, I don't know quite how this is happening since you are so aggro.

Post some hands that you are not sure of.

SMS

Re: 10k Hands - what the hell is wrong with my stats?
 

Your problem (NL 0.10) is that you cannot beat the rake. Overall you won 60 bucks from your opponents, but you paid 190 bucks to be allowed to play with them.

In an essence this shows us that the rake is so absurd at those levels that even if you triple your winnings, you would still be a loser on this site.

Re: 10k Hands - what the hell is wrong with my stats?
 

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You are very aggro postflop with is good. Yet you get to showdown >30% of the time. These 3 numbers don't add up. Plus you W$ASD is really low.

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I'd say, "You can't bluff a calling station."

It's likely that in the micro limit games he's playing that people call too much. Sometimes new players at low stakes think along the lines of...After all, my "stack" is only $1, right? And I have top pair with A3o, so that's worth my stack, right?

My guess is that he's bluffing too much at loose passive tables where people pay too much to see the flop, then don't fold when they catch a piece of it.

I'd recommend bluffing less post-flop, continuation betting into multi-player flops less when you miss, and value betting more.

Re: 10k Hands - what the hell is wrong with my stats?
 

yeah i really have to stop bluffing thats true! thought about that too..i'm just freaking out when they call me with j5o and losing controll. i have to learn some discipline..ok ill post some of my best and some of my worst hands in a few minutes.

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Your problem (NL 0.10) is that you cannot beat the rake.

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Is this a level? NL 0.10 is most certainly beatable. Also, talking about "tripling his win rate" is nonsensical, since he has a negative win rate.

Re: 10k Hands - what the hell is wrong with my stats?
 

ok as promised here are some good and some [censored] hands.

http://www.pokerhand.org/?1754235
http://www.pokerhand.org/?1754244
http://www.pokerhand.org/?1754245
http://www.pokerhand.org/?1754248

edit : what you mean by abc poker? playing strictly the recommended hands in the standard way? and how can i learn some decent value betting? is there a good video featuring this? i've read this forum the whole day now and i feel a little bit lightened up

Re: 10k Hands - what the hell is wrong with my stats?
 

[Please keep in mind I'm new as well and I'm learning as much from this as you are; my information should not be held in as high esteem as others.]

As far as I can see you played hand #1 quite well, standard, and picked up a lot of loose money.

In hand 2 I'd be somewhat wary of coming back over the top of his preflop raise, and if you made a read on him then I would assume it is justifiable.

In hand 3 I think it's 50/50 to even make it to the flop. He raised 3.5 BB so he has something, and if it's a PP you're instantly outmatched 75% of the time. If not he's probably got two higher cards which stand around a 40% chance of busting you. When the flop hits you're in bad position, with a horribly low pair and a horribly low flush draw. A pot sized bet is not the decision, and I think I would check because it's very likely someone caught that flop. When someone re-raises and another pushes you should be out immediately. This is a good example of losing a lot in a pot you should have not involved yourself in.

Finally, hand 4. I don't know about re-raising his raise pre-flop and I'd think about calling depending on your read on him. Him catching the 2 is a bad beat, and your biggest lesson should be having a sizeable bankroll will allow you to prosper over time as these people play these hands. You'll probably win 75% of the time on this hand if you continually replayed it, and so you'll make MUCH more than you will lose. Bad beat.

Re: 10k Hands - what the hell is wrong with my stats?
 

you're waaaaaaaaaaaay too aggro for NL10. Trying to run over weaker players who won't fold bottom pair to raw aggression aint the greatest idea.

Just value bet when you have a good hand, and check and fold when you don't. And don't bluff...like ever.

Re: 10k Hands - what the hell is wrong with my stats?
 

ok ill try that at pstars now, thanks [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: 10k Hands - what the hell is wrong with my stats?
 

Basically for the $10 game you need to tighten up.

People call with everything and chases their draws to the river with disregard for pot odds.

Just play tight only raise 88+ and A10+

Bet more when you make a good hand and don't bluff when you miss. People like to call at this level.

Stick to good starting hands and bet pot,pot,pot when you hit a flop.