Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

Each of you are a member of the National Security Agency (NSA).

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Feb 15: 7 of the most elite NSA members have disappeared.

Feb 17: A broadcast over national television invades every channel.

"We have control over all your communication lanes. We have control over all of you automated defense platforms. This transition will be easy if you do as you are told; we are taking over. You cannot find us. You cannot stop us. This transition can be easy, or it can be difficult. The choice is up to you."

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Feb 18: Each of the 24 of you are called into a meeting. The director of the NSA has a grave assignment for you. "All- the rogue NSA members have infiltrated our networks. You must work together to disconnect their computers from the internet and get them out of the worlds government servers before they have the ability to make good on their threats. They were all members of our agency works, they know your tricks and will be ready for you. They can make themselves look just like on of us. You all know how much is riding on this. Good luck and godspeed."

Feb 19: The quest to stop the rogue NSA agents begins!

IT IS STILL NIGHT

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Roles: Every villager is some form of seer. The types of seer are:

Normal Seer
Insane Seer (gets opposite peek)
Paranoid Seer (always gets wolf)
Naive Seer (always gets villager)
Useless Seer (gets a good in equal probability to the number of living players. gets the same answer if they peek the same person twice, however).
Paranoid Useless seer (as Useless, but gets wolf when useless would get villager etc.)

You do not know how many of each type there are, nor do you find out what kind of seer someone was when they die. If someone peeks the same person twice, they ALWAYS get the same result NO MATTER WHAT (including wolf powers, see below). Furthermore, you may NOT peek yourself. Peeks ALWAYS result in either "good" or "evil" (normal or rogue NSA agent), and nothing else. There will be NO n0 peeks.

Wolves:
There are 7 wolves. 6 of them have the following power:
Each night, they name a villager, a target and a good/evil status. If the selected villager peeks the selected target, their result for that person will be whatever the wolf chose. Otherwise, the power does nothing.
The seventh wolf is the "silencer". Each night, he picks a player. That player may not speak in the game thread that day, except for one post that is a vote such as "vote chuckleslovakian" with no other content (see BCS mish-mash). The silencer's powers stop working if he is still alive for must lynch. If the silencer is lynched, you will know (as opposed to just saying "a rogue nsa agent has been lynched"). The same player may not be silenced in twice.

Other than these rules, the game works just as an Average Speed.

Night will fall at 9:30 in this game.

It is still night.

Player list (31):

amplify
antidan444
chuckleslovakian
clowntable
dmk
DustinG
econophile
FCBLComish
fmxda
fnord_too
happykirwan
HerbieGRD
Jeremy517
jjhender
kbar13
kyro
LuckayLuck
MDoranD
Neil Stevens
Nicholasp27
ScottHoward
soah
Stephen h
traz
thebram
TruFloridaGator
Voj
wdcbooks
xoom
xorbie
Zurvan

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I AM ONLY SENDING PMS TO THE WOLVES. Everyone else is a seer, there is nothing more they need to hear from me. Please send me anonymous questions if you like.

The wolves DO GET NIGHT 0 CHAT. However, no powers will be used.

I've decided I'm going to give a little bit of information about the numbers of each type of seer.

# Useless Seer is within 1 of # Paranoid Useless (so like 37 of each or 37 of one and 38 of the other, obviously those numbers are wrong)

Both of those have more of each than

Paranoid = Naive; these are the same.

Both of those have more of each than Normal and Insane, which are also within 1 (so there are 5 normal seers and 5 insane seers, or 4 and 5, etc. but not 3 and 5).

If this is unclear please ask me.

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Anonymous Question:

Are roles revealed on death?

Only good/evil is revealed on death. The type of seer is not revealed.

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****** BAD SEER STRATEGY ******
DO NOT BOTHER IF YOU ARE A SEER

OK, we have a lot of seers, so we should start dividing up right away to get a lock as soon as possible. Here's what you do: Get your seer number by counting down from the player list until you get your name. Then plug that number into this formula:

(((6x + 12) / 3 + 2) / 2) - 3

That gives you your target number. Count from the top to that number, and that's your target to peek tonight. This way everyone's covered, so no matter who dies, SOMEONE is immediately on the road to figuring out who is what kind of seer.

****** BAD SEER STRATEGY ******
DO NOT BOTHER IF YOU ARE A SEER

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Happy Presidents Day!

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i'm assuming we are not allowed to peek ourselves?

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i'm assuming we are not allowed to peek ourselves?

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Furthermore, you may NOT peek yourself.

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yeah I was gonna ask some witty questions too but I'll let xorbie handle it instead

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FCBL

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i'm assuming we are not allowed to peek ourselves?

[/ QUOTE ]I'm pretty sure we can't.

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i'm assuming we are not allowed to peek ourselves?

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Peeks ALWAYS result in either "good" or "evil" (normal or rogue NSA agent), and nothing else.

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Don't know how much good it will do, sounds like we don't find out what type of seer anyone is upon peek.

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If we could peek ourselves, it would give us a known data point for figuring out what kind we are, though. Likewise peeking someone twice, with the result re-randed if appropriate, would be handy.

So the rules prevent both tricks, meaning I expect it'll be at least 3, 4 days before anyone can be confident of their type.

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I think it might be best if we just peek who we think might be getting lynched in the next few days. We aren't going to have any useful information until we can start putting peeks together with lynches, and if we all peek different people than that assures that we get the least amount of information about who is useful. But its still going to take at least 2, and possibly 3 or more lynches of people that we have seen before we can figure anything out about ourselves.

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Well I was playing poker, but I raised preflop with KK just to have some idiot call with 28o and have the flop be 289. Running bad is getting old.
On that note Durron

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I think it might be best if we just peek who we think might be getting lynched in the next few days. We aren't going to have any useful information until we can start putting peeks together with lynches, and if we all peek different people than that assures that we get the least amount of information about who is useful. But its still going to take at least 2, and possibly 3 or more lynches of people that we have seen before we can figure anything out about ourselves.

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I think this is wrong - we should be following pretty normal seer strategy and peeking people that we expect to be alive near endgame. Since we don't have role reveal on death we don't actually ever have 100% peeked anything because we can't KNOW that someone is a real seer or an insane seer - they could just be a useless seer that ran well. The best information the village can have about anyone at endgame is that someone is either more likely or less likely to be a wolf based on previous peeks and the more times that player has been peeked the more likely we are to draw an accurate conclusion.

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herbie,

if all you have are peeks of people who are still alive, you're basically useless.

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i plan on peeking whoever is most likely to die in the first 2 days. traz/xorbie, consider yourselves peeked.

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The rogue agents have just as much information we do on who's going to get lynched the next few days. If we try to predict, then they can use their powers to try to mess us up by making the same predictions.

Trying to gain an info advantage quickly is tempting, to be sure, but we can't do it in a way that lets those pesky rogue agents trap us.

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herbie,

if all you have are peeks of people who are still alive, you're basically useless.

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But peeks in the early game are going to be fairly useless anyways because they will seem misleading and contradictory. It will probably be a week into the game before the information that we have has much of any value. If 3 people who could only be either regular or useless seers all peeked the same person as a wolf than that person should probably get lynched ASAP - that is when the peeks are going to become useful.

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what if...

everyone peeks the same person tonight and we lynch him the following day. and likewise tomorrow. it should really narrow down your specific seer abilities, yes?

i wouldn't mind being one of the 2 if we decide its a good idea.

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Also as my previous posts imply it is imperative that everyone post their correct peeks every day and not FPS them even if you suspect that you are a real seer and may get eaten for posting it (Luckay I am talking to you).

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what if...

everyone peeks the same person tonight and we lynch him the following day. and likewise tomorrow. it should really narrow down your specific seer abilities, yes?

i wouldn't mind being one of the 2 if we decide its a good idea.

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wolves will mess this up so bad

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Only Luckay could find a way to FPS this game [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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what if...

everyone peeks the same person tonight and we lynch him the following day. and likewise tomorrow. it should really narrow down your specific seer abilities, yes?

i wouldn't mind being one of the 2 if we decide its a good idea.

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wolves will mess this up so bad

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how so? oh ya, thats right, they can alter peeks. n/m

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Only Luckay could find a way to FPS this game [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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i tried [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Also as my previous posts imply it is imperative that everyone post their correct peeks every day and not FPS them even if you suspect that you are a real seer and may get eaten for posting it (Luckay I am talking to you).

[/ QUOTE ]Hmmm... the question is, who gets the greater information advantage if we all pool our data? I'm leaning against this being a good idea but I'm not sure yet. If they're not finding out who we peeked until after we did it, they can't mess it up. I'll have to think about it.

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chuckles

Sorry to hear you're running bad. I have no idea what that's like.

Oh, this Neil Stevens character is pretty funny.

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I think it might be best if we just peek who we think might be getting lynched in the next few days. We aren't going to have any useful information until we can start putting peeks together with lynches, and if we all peek different people than that assures that we get the least amount of information about who is useful. But its still going to take at least 2, and possibly 3 or more lynches of people that we have seen before we can figure anything out about ourselves.

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I think this is wrong - we should be following pretty normal seer strategy and peeking people that we expect to be alive near endgame. Since we don't have role reveal on death we don't actually ever have 100% peeked anything because we can't KNOW that someone is a real seer or an insane seer - they could just be a useless seer that ran well. The best information the village can have about anyone at endgame is that someone is either more likely or less likely to be a wolf based on previous peeks and the more times that player has been peeked the more likely we are to draw an accurate conclusion.

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The problem that I have with this is that we then can't determine who the real/insane seers are if everyone is trying to find people for the endgame. Obviously in practice, some of our picks are getting lynched or killed before then....

You think that we will never be able to determine who the real/insane ones are, but I don't think thats true. If you are useless, its not a 50/50 shot, but even if it was that means to be right 3 straight times is only a 12.5% chance. But in actuality, an useless peeks based on a percentage of who is remaining, so I think after 3 peeks and corresponding lynches, we can start to have a pretty good idea. How useful this is going to be early in the game though I don't know, since obviously we want our seers sticking around. You might be right...

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Also as my previous posts imply it is imperative that everyone post their correct peeks every day and not FPS them even if you suspect that you are a real seer and may get eaten for posting it (Luckay I am talking to you).

[/ QUOTE ]Hmmm... the question is, who gets the greater information advantage if we all pool our data? I'm leaning against this being a good idea but I'm not sure yet. If they're not finding out who we peeked until after we did it, they can't mess it up. I'll have to think about it.

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If we don't pool our data then we are essentially playing an average speed game with no seers. The only way that the village will ever get any useful information this game is by compiling peeks and figuring out who could be what kind of seer.

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if i'm reading durron's rules right, the possible seer allocations are:

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>normal plus insane paranoid plus naive useless
8 10 6
7 12 5
6 12 6
5 12 7
4 14 6
3 14 7
2 14 8 </pre><hr />

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does the silencer get a d1 target?

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The rogue agents have just as much information we do on who's going to get lynched the next few days. If we try to predict, then they can use their powers to try to mess us up by making the same predictions.

Trying to gain an info advantage quickly is tempting, to be sure, but we can't do it in a way that lets those pesky rogue agents trap us.

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I think this is a very good point and wasn't something that I had thought about. But early in the game, the chances of them actually blocking someone seem pretty remote.

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DMK's idea won't work because no one has useful information until we have killed a wolf and a villager. If we just kill two people by popular acclaim (which will never happen anyway), they are fairly likely to be villagers. So we have all peeked them and most of us will show them as wolf/wolf or villager/villager. That doesn't narrow down anyone's role very much.

I think we play normally for the first few days and try to lynch a wolf. If you get a wolf response from your peek I would then either peek yourself or a dead villager to see if they come back 'villager'. That is the easiest way to narrow down the type of seer you are. You could still be useless under that scenario, but you are more likely to be a straight seer or insane which is almost as good.