10 10 UTG facing button raise in PS 50/50
 

Just moved to the table so no reads. I raise here with 10 10 from early position and the button 3 bets. I discount AA or KK because of the bet size but I do feel like this is JJ or QQ often. How often are we racing here? If you play it are you calling or shoving?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button (t5875)
SB (t4330)
BB (t5014)
UTG (t5410)
Hero (t9315)
MP1 (t7923)
MP2 (t1980)
MP3 (t3393)
CO (t6041)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t450</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t1800</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero ?.

Final Pot: t1125

Re: 10 10 UTG facing button raise in PS 50/50
 

just fold, you are raising UTG so people dont reraise you really light like QQ+ plus he has a ton of chips. if he has like 2500 or less a call is okay but not here.

Re: 10 10 UTG facing button raise in PS 50/50
 

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Just moved to the table so no reads. I raise here with 10 10 from early position and the button 3 bets. I discount AA or KK because of the bet size but I do feel like this is JJ or QQ often. How often are we racing here? If you play it are you calling or shoving?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button (t5875)
SB (t4330)
BB (t5014)
UTG (t5410)
Hero (t9315)
MP1 (t7923)
MP2 (t1980)
MP3 (t3393)
CO (t6041)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t450</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t1800</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero ?.

Final Pot: t1125

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Question here is how often is this AK? And how much can u really discount AA or KK here? You only have 40% equity against a range of QQ;JJ;AKs;AKo, so shoving isn't good here. The probs with calling are (1) you don't have the implied odds here to call for set value, even if u knew he had QQ-AA and (2) on the flop he's shoving his entire range (including AK) if you check it to him...so you'll have to open-shove any non A or K flop without any more info on his holding.

Sucks...but i think i let this one go pre, rather than risk 1/2 my stack.

Re: 10 10 UTG facing button raise in PS 50/50
 

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just fold, you are raising UTG so people dont reraise you really light like QQ+ plus he has a ton of chips. if he has like 2500 or less a call is okay but not here.

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I agree. This was my logic and I folded.

Re: 10 10 UTG facing button raise in PS 50/50
 

Yeah even if you are putting villian on JJ+,AK you are here


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.654% 33.45% 00.20% 22911950 138060.00 { TdTh }
Hand 1: 66.346% 66.14% 00.20% 45304090 138060.00 { JJ+, AKs, AKo }

Assuming we would be putting him in and he's not folding. We would need something like 45%+ (with his stack) to do it I think. Folding sucks but it's correct.

Re: 10 10 UTG facing button raise in PS 50/50
 

JJ and TT from early position are always difficult hands preflop.

i usually limp the TT and mine for a set, but raise JJ - dependent on the table of course.

after the 3-bet i agree with folding.

another point to discuss:
what would you do with JJ?

Re: 10 10 UTG facing button raise in PS 50/50
 

I think a stop-and-go would be better than a shove, but folding is better than both.

Re: 10 10 UTG facing button raise in PS 50/50
 

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another point to discuss:
what would you do with JJ?

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weep. I hate JJ and don't know how to play it well. But thanks for asking because I do need to think about it to get better.

Ok, so if we have JJ I am guessing that we put 10 10 in his range now? Let me do the math.

With 10 10 in his range:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 43.229% 41.86% 01.37% 176310408 5780460.00 { JJ }
Hand 1: 56.771% 55.40% 01.37% 233355456 5780460.00 { TT+, AKs, AKo }


It's costing me 5425 to win a pot that would now be 11975. That is 45%. It is close but it looks like a fold.


Without 10 10 in his range
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 36.585% 35.01% 01.57% 125907060 5645496.00 { JJ }
Hand 1: 63.415% 61.85% 01.57% 222385788 5645496.00 { JJ+, AKs, AKo }


Obvious fold. Is 10 10 in his range? Are my ranges completely off?

Re: 10 10 UTG facing button raise in PS 50/50
 

Auto snap fold.

Barry

Re: 10 10 UTG facing button raise in PS 50/50
 

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Are my ranges completely off?

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for the typical TAG i think your ranges are fine.