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Any action out of turn is not binding in this cardroom.


1/2NL. I live straddle UTG, the next two players fold. Next player limps for 2, along with the next player who limps for 2 as I am telling them its 4 to go because of my straddle. First guy puts in his $4 but the second player raises to 27. Can he raise here?

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Any action out of turn is not binding in this cardroom.

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No there hasn't been any out of turn action. When the first player put in $2 that constituted a call, the action was now on the next player and when he put in $2 that constituted a call. he may not now raise.

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No there hasn't been any out of turn action. When the first player put in $2 that constituted a call, the action was now on the next player and when he put in $2 that constituted a call. he may not now raise.

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Agree. Both bets would be corrected to $4 since there wasn't a gross misunderstanding of the amount of a proper call and putting out $2 indicates an intent to limp. The fact that the straddler brought attention to the mistake ASAP seals it.

~ Rick

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I also agree. Any out of turn action not being binding in this room is irrelevant. He called. The amounts were slightly wrong, but this is far from a gross misunderstanding and would not be good enough reason to allow him to reconsider.

Al

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I also agree. Any out of turn action not being binding in this room is irrelevant. He called. The amounts were slightly wrong, but this is far from a gross misunderstanding and would not be good enough reason to allow him to reconsider.

Al

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Just to clarify something that I am sure both you and Rick are aware of you that neither of you said. A gross misunderstanding of the action cannot occur preflop when there has been no raise. Missing a kill or straddle is not the same as not noticing a raise.

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I also agree. Any out of turn action not being binding in this room is irrelevant. He called. The amounts were slightly wrong, but this is far from a gross misunderstanding and would not be good enough reason to allow him to reconsider.

Al

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Just to clarify something that I am sure both you and Rick are aware of you that neither of you said. A gross misunderstanding of the action cannot occur preflop when there has been no raise. Missing a kill or straddle is not the same as not noticing a raise.

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Do you mean by this that neither player, now realizing there is a straddle, can elect to fold instead of limp?

--klez

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my cardroom is much more laid back than most. We do allow a player that "didnt notice it was a straddle" to pull back his undercall and muck his cards.

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I also agree. Any out of turn action not being binding in this room is irrelevant. He called. The amounts were slightly wrong, but this is far from a gross misunderstanding and would not be good enough reason to allow him to reconsider.

Al

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Just to clarify something that I am sure both you and Rick are aware of you that neither of you said. A gross misunderstanding of the action cannot occur preflop when there has been no raise. Missing a kill or straddle is not the same as not noticing a raise.

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Do you mean by this that neither player, now realizing there is a straddle, can elect to fold instead of limp?

--klez

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That is correct. If they don't notice a raise they can pull back a bet and fold if there is no action behind. A straddle is not a raise.

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my cardroom is much more laid back than most. We do allow a player that "didnt notice it was a straddle" to pull back his undercall and muck his cards.

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Oddly enough i can't think of any reason a player would want to limp only if there was no straddle, but fold if there was a straddle.