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Al Mirpuri 10-23-2007 08:10 PM

Limit Draw: Draw in Blind Versus Heads Up Raise?
 
Five handed draw: 50c/$1 blinds at $1/$2. There is a raise and I am heads up all of a sudden in the big blind with either a four flush or open ended straight draw. The pot is offering me 3.5 to 1. What do I do? (I think inside straight draw an easy fold and inside/open straigh flush draw an easy call.) Please advise.

VickreyAuction 10-23-2007 09:48 PM

Re: Limit Draw: Draw in Blind Versus Heads Up Raise?
 
I reraise or fold here. Mostly fold.

AceOfClubs 10-24-2007 05:40 AM

Re: Limit Draw: Draw in Blind Versus Heads Up Raise?
 
You need 4,22:1 pot odds for flush and 4,88:1 for straight to call. So you have to fold here.But you can think about implied odds or bluffing opportunity... Also if you know that villian may raise with straight draw you can call with good flush draw...

AceOfClubs 10-24-2007 05:45 AM

Re: Limit Draw: Draw in Blind Versus Heads Up Raise?
 
Wanted to post more, but I need to earn some more rakeback [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

bigpooch 10-24-2007 01:51 PM

Re: Limit Draw: Draw in Blind Versus Heads Up Raise?
 
You won't be far off if you muck every straight draw when
heads up out of position; even with KQJTx against a button
raise, although you have some chances of winning by pairing
up, you might be up against AA or 99 which really cuts your
chances of making a straight. Also, even if you make a
straight, on rare occasions you might run into a bigger
hand.

The biggest factor is the opener's range. If you had a very
weak flush draw with no chance of winning even if you pair
up on your highest card, unless you can expect to get paid
off almost every time, you are better off folding. If the
raise came from early position, you won't be far off if you
mucked everything except a straight flush draw or an ace
high flush draw (without a king in the hand). If the raise
came from the button, and his range is approximately 99+,
you won't be far off if you played almost any flush draw.

andyblub 10-24-2007 02:13 PM

Re: Limit Draw: Draw in Blind Versus Heads Up Raise?
 
Hi Bigpooch,

why is it important not to have a King in an Ace high flush draw?

Yesterday I lost a huge pot with my Ace-Jack high flush against an Ace-King flush...so I actually wished I did have one in my hand [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

bigpooch 10-24-2007 02:51 PM

Re: Limit Draw: Draw in Blind Versus Heads Up Raise?
 
Sorry to hear about your accident! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

When in the BB and just facing one opponent that has open
raised with some range that doesn't include one pair hands
worse than JJ, and you have a flush draw, you need a
reasonable chance of winning by pairing up on your highest
card of your flush draw.

If your opponent is in early position and his worst opening
hand is KK, and if you already have a king, it's a bit less
likely that the opener has only KK and therefore, it's a bit
less likely you can win by pairing up on an ace if you have
an ace-high flush draw. This doesn't seem like much, but I
remember working this out years ago that if you have a flush
draw against a range that is on the low end around JJQ or
so, you want a decent chance of pairing up on your highest
card(s) to make the best hand, so you don't want to have a
card of the rank of a pair that your opponent could have
opened with.

For example, if somehow you knew the opener has QQ or better
and you have a king-high flush draw in the big blind, you
probably should fold if you have a queen since it's about
53% as likely you can win by pairing up compared to the
case when you don't have a queen.

andyblub 10-24-2007 03:43 PM

Re: Limit Draw: Draw in Blind Versus Heads Up Raise?
 
Thanks for the explanation.
Detailed and interesting statistics - as usual.


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