Quick Prefloppy Blind Battle (Maybe Basic)
 

Villian is vvvQ. Not much of a history other than I've been fairly tight/TAGgy, folding to his 3-bets a lot. I haven't been 3-betting pf a lot myself but he has witnessed me 4-bet light where I saw a SD.

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $3/$6
5 players
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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $24</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $78</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $178</font>, Hero...

Re: Quick Prefloppy Blind Battle (Maybe Basic)
 

if you've been letting yourself get bullied, probably time to make a stand. If he shows you a better hand, curse and reload.

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why do you guys call vvvq and i villians?

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why do you guys call vvvq and i villians?

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when people post hands, the perspective of the guy whose cards we know is 'hero' and the opponent is 'villain'.

Re: Quick Prefloppy Blind Battle (Maybe Basic)
 

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io don't rmemeber what i had

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hi vvvQ [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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IMO if vvvq is an intelligent player he's probably noticed that you haven't been 3betting much PF. To me, this is pretty important to take into account and I fold and move on to the next hand. I'm assuming full stacks in this hand as well.

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crap, yeah , I forgot to post the stack sizes and the lame converter didnt do it. sry this is my first time posting a NL hand.


Seat 5: vvvQ ($746.05 in chips)
Seat 1: Gethere1time ($735 in chips)

Re: Quick Prefloppy Blind Battle (Maybe Basic)
 

call and see a flop, if he comes AK7, im outta there, if it comes 228, ill probably take one off. if ure calling here, i think it sgoing to be for set value a lot of the time unless uve been 3 betting a lot light. he's basically committed to a huge bet on the flop tho, so if u spike, its fairly likely ure getting his stack

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Hmm I don't think your getting odds to call for set value. (My math does suck though)

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this guy seems like one of the better stars players from playing the last few days. i hope he and straate start posting here

he is a bit crazy preflop and good enough to know that you're 3-betting light here, so i don't want to fold. i think i would shove right here. if he has AK and misses the flop, he'll be committed after his c-bet anyway, and if an A or K does flop, you don't want to get bluffed. he's committed with a lot of hands here and i like your chances vs his range.

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IMO if vvvq is an intelligent player he's probably noticed that you haven't been 3betting much PF. To me, this is pretty important to take into account and I fold and move on to the next hand. I'm assuming full stacks in this hand as well.

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i don't know. i think any tag is going to be doing a lot of 3-betting in this spot, and someone capable of 4-betting light is probably also capable of 3-betting light (op said he got caught 4-betting light). bad assumption maybe though

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foldfoldfold

also your rr is too small

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Yeah you don't have odds for set value here. Hmmm. GT1T have you seen him 4bet like this before?

I'm just not inclined to mess around with a 4-bettor who's OOP. I certainly don't think it's worth putting the rest of your stack in right now. Rough estimations on that are that it's probably -EV. Also, if he's cbetting the flop every single time I'd rather just fold it now and save myself $100. I could see JJ/QQ just wanting to win the pot right here against your 4bet. I could also see AA/KK hoping that you'll stick the rest in there. Just isn't worth losing your stack w/ TT here and calling is a pretty bad option as well.

So, you haven't invested much, pot's small, you're likely behind, pushing now is bad... I like a muck.

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if he has AK and misses the flop, he'll be committed after his c-bet anyway, and if an A or K does flop, you don't want to get bluffed. he's committed with a lot of hands here and i like your chances vs his range.

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I pretty much agree with this so I think its either a shove or a fold. I don't like a call if I'm going broke on a rag board anyway.

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foldfoldfold

also your rr is too small

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I thought a 3x the initial (+1 per caller) raise was fairly standard.

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GT1T have you seen him 4bet like this before?


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Nope


Another thing that bothered me about the hand is that his 4-bet was smallish, like he was goading me to call or shove.
Of course he could just want me to fold while commiting as little money as possible too. I wasn't sure. Meh.

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yea i wish i knew what i had here lol
i can't remember honestly ~_~
i think you folded though?

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am I the only one who would just call SB's inital raise PF knowing that hes so TAG? you might as well try to peel off a set or have it whiff face cards, start playin poka and outplay him if you miss. otherwise easy decision if A or K hit and u can let it go and only lose 18 bux.