Whats a good NLHE book for low stakes online play?
 

Hello,

Im a limit Hold em player looking for a good starter book for NLHE. Im a total novice at no limit and would like to find a book that would help me with low stakes online play, mostly 25-50nl.

Thanks,

ac.

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The Little Green Book by Phil Gordon
Harrington on Hold 'Em by Dan Harrington and Bill Robertie
Professional No-Limit Hold 'Em by Matt, Sunny, and Ed

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I would also read Largay's book.

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Not a book but Slotboom's DVD is also good for making the jump from Limit to no limit.

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That is if you insist on a book, truth of the matter is, that there are no really good books. (PNL is a decent book, but it only deals with pot to stack considerations and not much else)

But there is a limit to NL forum here

And then there is the uNL forum

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PNL v1 is not by itself a full cash book, any more than Harrington v1 is. And when people refer to "Harrington" they're generally referring to vols 1 and 2 together (not necessarily including vol 3). I'm giving the PNL authors benefit of the doubt but for a first half of a book it's got some really good stuff in it.

Largay is more complete in the sense that we're not waiting for v2 to add more info, but it certainly is not a "complete course" for NL as the subtitle suggests, and as I mentioned in my review of the book.

Bottom line - there really isn't a book out yet that is both good and complete. However I think that between Sklansky/Miller, Largay, and PNL 1&2 you should have a good basis.

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He's just looking for a starter book

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Well, if he's just looking for starters, there's a really good intro article on Ed Miller's site that he can look at for free. If my local buddies just did the basic stuff in that article, I might not make any more money off them.

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I have PNL and Largay's book. I have read most of PNL and yes there is quite a bit of information that seems to revolve around pot-stack sizes so far. Good stuff all the same. I haven't opened Largay's book yet, but what do you think it has to offer that PNL doesn't? Also, would you happen to have the link for the info mentioned on Ed Miller's site? Thanks!

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Ed's website.

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Thanks for the link, but I was looking for the link the specific info the previous poster mentioned about an article he found to be good.

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Just a slightly different approach. Hard to explain what I mean, more of a flowing thought process, as opposed to a more formal presentation of new ideas like in PNL.

Actually, I think Largay and Flynn/Mehta probably approach the game in much the same way. Of course Largay doesn't mention SPR. But while F/M talk in terms of planning and commitment or lack of it, Largay talks in terms of the possibility of going broke, and who's more likely to do that in this hand - you or your opponent. He doesn't mention planning explicitly, but it's probably implied. He gives some hand examples that I think would fit exactly with F/M's ideas. I keep meaning to collect a few of Largay's hand examples and ask F/M if they agree with his approach. My feeling is they do.

Largay also has some interesting ideas that seem to fit with awkward SPRs, such as limping with AK, AA, KK (although he might not know explicitly that he's going for low or high SPRs - not medium - he still seems to understand the same thing sort of intuitively.)

So that's kind of the difference - F/M give you some solid numbers to help you think through, Largay gives you more "feel".

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Thanks for the link, but I was looking for the link the specific info the previous poster mentioned about an article he found to be good.

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Starts here
http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/artic...play-tight.html

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Ed Millers-Getting Started in Holdem
No-Limit Holdem Theory and Practice

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Thanks for the good info jeffnc, much appreciated!

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With the huge market of poker books available, SS is no longer required reading.

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Harrington on Hold 'Em by Vol.1 Dan Harrington and Bill Robertie

To me , its the poker best book ever

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I've read through Largay's book, but don't really think its suited for online play. Maybe i missed something, but a lot of it seems to focus on becoming sort of a table captain and the social aspect of poker. It's a good book for a blueprint to beat $1/$2 at the local casino, but PNL and NLH:TAP seem like better choices for beating online poker.

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I've read through Largay's book, but don't really think its suited for online play. Maybe i missed something, but a lot of it seems to focus on becoming sort of a table captain and the social aspect of poker. It's a good book for a blueprint to beat $1/$2 at the local casino, but PNL and NLH:TAP seem like better choices for beating online poker.

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Interestingly enough, PNL came under fire here specifically because of its lack of applicibility to online games.

Now that isn't true - PNL is applicable to all games. What those people were whining about was the fact that they couldn't achieve the SPRs they wanted with TPTK and still have the best hand. But that is not a criticism of PNL, since PNL never promised they could do that.

The basic point is, online play in general is tighter and tougher for each particular limit than live play is. But that is another matter.

I agree Largay's book is mistitled, and it is actually geared at
1) cash play
2) live play
3) lower limit play
4) full table play

Far from the "NL Complete Course" it claims to be. Having said that, it does address many of those issues fairly well.

No one book is going to do it all. Largay's book is worthwhile reading though.

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I'd like to weigh in the Angel Largay's book, No-Limit Texas Hold'em: A Complete Course, which I read, admired, and reviewed. It's a good book for capped buy-in, low-limit NLHE, and while it may be more applicable to live play than online play, it's a good book for people who aren't interested in the more analytical approach of a book like Professional No-Limit Hold'em or No Limit Hold'em: Theory and Practice. You can learn a lot from it; I wrote the review pasted below just to clarify my own thinking about the book:

No-Limit Texas Hold'em: A Complete Course: by Angel Largay (ECW Press; $24.95)

At the end of this fine book on no-limit hold'em cash games, Angel Largay, a former dealer and creator of a poker "boot camp," articulates exactly what every poker strategy author should acknowledge and what every reader should understand. No-Limit Texas Hold'em "won't make you a great player—or even a good one," he writes in his conclusion. "Only you can do that."

What does he mean? He means that you have to do the work to transform knowledge into skill, insight into execution. The book is nothing more than a tool to get you started, but it will give you plenty of knowledge to become a competent player in low-limit no-limit games, the capped buy-in games that are spread everywhere these days.

Largay articulates the primary object of no-limit hold'em: "to bust or double through your opponent." No-limit is not about picking up or saving an extra bet (keys to limit success), and it requires a very different set of strategic skills. Above all else, no-limit demands an ability to understand your opponents. Towards that end, he relies heavily on Al Schoonmaker's player typology (discussed in detail in the excellent book, The Psychology of Poker): loose-aggressive, loose-passive, tight-passive, and tight-aggressive. What makes Largay's analysis so compelling is that he discusses how to play against each of these types, encapsulated by this fascinating and subtly brilliant line: "If you meet the needs of your opponents, they will meet yours." The LAP, for example, craves attention; give it to him. The LPP player wants to avoid conflict; befriend him.

Is this good gamesmanship or out-and-out manipulation—and does that matter at the poker table? Largay acknowledges that "this chapter will make some people uncomfortable." It made me squirm a bit; could I ever cajole someone into a bad call or a bad fold? But even if you're unwilling to go too far down that route, it's vitally important to understand what makes your opponents tick.

Largay also offers some very practical advice on cultivating your reading skills. I tried one of his exercises at a recent tournament, picking one good player and trying to articulate specific tactical observations about his game. (To wit: He loves to float in order to pick up a draw or take the pot away on the turn or river, but if he raises preflop, he has a real hand.) I may change my views on his game later, but at least I have a foundation for guiding future encounters with him.

The strength of Largay's book is based on the strength of its advice as well as its presentation. In one of the book's best features, each chapter is accompanied by a quiz, so you can evaluate your ability to apply what you've read about. And when Largay makes an assertion or suggests a tactic, he always follows it up with a cogent rationale. And while this book doesn't have the analytical rigor of, say, Professional No-Limit Hold'em: Volume 1 (by Flynn, et al.), it does incorporate the essential mathematics of low-limit no-limit games.

The more I learn about hold'em—particularly its no-limit variation—the more I believe that you've got to chart your own journey to competence and ultimately to mastery. But that doesn't mean you have to make the trek without a guide. Books like Angel Largay's No-Limit Texas Hold'em will show you the way, but it remains up to you to take the trip. [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]