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Merek007 09-06-2007 12:40 AM

4/180 50 left UTG w 77
 
I have been tight... Table has been tight except for one twit that is 70, 0, limps every unraised hand. Play has mostly been limp to flop or small stack pushes for 30 hands. Smalls are gone. The few PF Raises have be 5-6 bb from current CO and Button. BB has pushed once on flop, otherwise nothing odd. He is 28 14

Should I Fold this PF? If yes what about 88-99

On Push Fold? or call? I am trying to cut down my hero calling, but am not sure about where to draw the line. What do you call this push with?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG+1 (t3200)
MP1 (t5325)
MP2 (t4680)
CO (t4552)
Button (t3675)
SB (t5200)
BB (t4602)
Hero (t3675)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif.
Hero raises to t450</font>, 6 folds</font>, BB raises to t4602</font>, Hero calls t3225 (All-In).

Flop: (t8352) <font color="white"> </font>

ortega,juan 09-06-2007 12:48 AM

Re: 4/180 50 left UTG w 77
 
pretty standard fold if you ask this sob.

you might expect to see AK but alot of people will play 88 - JJ this way and 66 or worse like never. i think its a pretty easy fold pre ante level.

fredd-bird 09-06-2007 02:36 AM

Re: 4/180 50 left UTG w 77
 
[ QUOTE ]
Should I Fold this PF? If yes what about 88-99

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Yes, and I'd fold the other pairs. My reasoning for this is being that there are 6 stacks left to act that could bust you. Blinds are only 75/150, plenty of opportunities to get your chips in with a higher EV situation. I might be a nit though.

erc007 09-06-2007 03:44 AM

Re: 4/180 50 left UTG w 77
 
[ QUOTE ]
I have been tight... Table has been tight except for one twit that is 70, 0, limps every unraised hand. Play has mostly been limp to flop or small stack pushes for 30 hands. Smalls are gone. The few PF Raises have be 5-6 bb from current CO and Button. BB has pushed once on flop, otherwise nothing odd. He is 28 14

Should I Fold this PF? If yes what about 88-99

On Push Fold? or call? I am trying to cut down my hero calling, but am not sure about where to draw the line. What do you call this push with?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG+1 (t3200)
MP1 (t5325)
MP2 (t4680)
CO (t4552)
Button (t3675)
SB (t5200)
BB (t4602)
Hero (t3675)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif.
Hero raises to t450</font>, 6 folds</font>, BB raises to t4602</font>, Hero calls t3225 (All-In).

Flop: (t8352) <font color="white"> </font>

[/ QUOTE ]

With ~20BBs and your read on the limper guy...i might just limp this UTG, this is a hard hand to play OOP after the flop when you get called, and when someone RR a UTG raise it's usually the goods. "Twit" will overlimp, which makes it harder for aggro players behind to make a move. If u limp, he limps...then there is a raise, u can shove if u think the raiser is FOS, or bullying with 2 high cards. If a tight player raises, then let it go, saving 300.

As played, i would be really tempted to call here b/c i think this is AK enough times for the call to be EV+.

levAA 09-06-2007 04:08 AM

Re: 4/180 50 left UTG w 77
 
on a passive limping table - i limp my PP from all positions and mine for a set as long as i'm deep enough to do that, but i don't like raising it from UTG.

after the re-push this is a fold for me. if the table is tight your utg-raise looks scary, so a reraise indicates more strength for me. i agree with erc that this will be AK quite often, but i don't think often enough.

donquay 09-06-2007 04:14 AM

Re: 4/180 50 left UTG w 77
 
I'd probably limp utg here, it might encourage others to overlimp which'll juice the pot playing for set value, and as erc says aggros should be less likely to make a move with light holdings against multiple limps.

As played I'd fold to shove.

Offtopic: OP, is PR Prince Rupert?

JammyDodga 09-06-2007 05:05 AM

Re: 4/180 50 left UTG w 77
 
I'm a nit, but I open fold. As played, I think I probably fold.

Although this is AK a lot, even when it is, its pretty marginal. You have to think that your raise UTG showed strength, i.e. more likely to call an all in, so you see this play with QQ, KK alot.

vladzhuk 09-06-2007 05:18 AM

Re: 4/180 50 left UTG w 77
 
was this you Merek stuffing 13k at BB 400 with AQs???

if not, then nvm me.

zoobird 09-06-2007 07:30 AM

Re: 4/180 50 left UTG w 77
 
I think the initial raise is ok (although I usually raise less - say 375-400), but I definitely fold to the push given your read on BB. You stack is kind of small to be limping for set value, so the only pf alternative would be to fold but I think that's too nitty.

Merek007 09-06-2007 10:18 AM

Re: 4/180 50 left UTG w 77
 


"was this you Merek stuffing 13k at BB 400 with AQs???"

No, I died at 150 level due to this stupid call. I have cut down the hero calls post flop, but too often do not take enough time pf. I did not think enough at the time and just reacted. His range is AJ+ 99+ and 77 is a 70/30 dog. Bad Bad

BB had JJ

PR is Powell River


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