$114: Shove into donkey on bubble?
 

After seeing him try to donate his chips in hand 1, is it too risky to push the KQ since we know he's capable of donking off here with trash?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP (t1050)
CO (t2348)
Button (t2180)
SB (t1135)
Hero (t4345)
UTG (t2442)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif.
2 folds</font>,CO raises to t600</font>,2 folds</font>,Hero raises to t4320</font>, CO calls t1723 (All-In).

Flop: (t6743) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t6743) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t6743) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t6743

CO shows 8s 9s (straight, five to nine).
Hero has 9d 9c (two pair, nines and sixes).
Outcome: CO wins t4896. </font>



PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB (t4146)
UTG (t2551)
Hero (t3519)
SB (t3284)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif.
Hero goes all-in?

Re: $114: Shove into donkey on bubble?
 

Just run it through sngpt. You have a better idea of his range than we did. That being said, this seems like a super easy push. Hell, if he calls, pwn the bubble when you win.

Re: $114: Shove into donkey on bubble?
 

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Just run it through sngpt. You have a better idea of his range than we did. That being said, this seems like a super easy push. Hell, if he calls, pwn the bubble when you win.

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What kind of min edge do you think you'd would you want here?

Re: $114: Shove into donkey on bubble?
 

Even since he's that bad I still can't see him calling wide enough to make this a fold. What's the break even call range?

Re: $114: Shove into donkey on bubble?
 

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Just run it through sngpt. You have a better idea of his range than we did. That being said, this seems like a super easy push. Hell, if he calls, pwn the bubble when you win.

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What kind of min edge do you think you'd would you want here?

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0.2 is what I usually use if I want a little cushion.

Re: $114: Shove into donkey on bubble?
 

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Just run it through sngpt. You have a better idea of his range than we did. That being said, this seems like a super easy push. Hell, if he calls, pwn the bubble when you win.

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What kind of min edge do you think you'd would you want here?

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in a 114, any positive edge is enough. icm doesn't factor into the EV of becoming the chipleader

Re: $114: Shove into donkey on bubble?
 

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Even since he's that bad I still can't see him calling wide enough to make this a fold. What's the break even call range?

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Breakeven range is something like this:
SB 88+,AJs+,AQo+
BB 33+,A4s+,A6o+,KJs+,KQo

Re: $114: Shove into donkey on bubble?
 

This is a really easy shove because when you win you become cleader. Chipchucker I could be wrong but it seems like depending on how you expand the calling range it could be +EV since you will be adding in 22 the rest of the aces, but than Kx and Qx hands which I think you want him to call here.

Re: $114: Shove into donkey on bubble?
 

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This is a really easy shove because when you win you become cleader. Chipchucker I could be wrong but it seems like depending on how you expand the calling range it could be +EV since you will be adding in 22 the rest of the aces, but than Kx and Qx hands which I think you want him to call here.

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i disagree that it's easy, i agree that it's correct for the reasons you stated however

Re: $114: Shove into donkey on bubble?
 

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This is a really easy shove because when you win you become cleader. Chipchucker I could be wrong but it seems like depending on how you expand the calling range it could be +EV since you will be adding in 22 the rest of the aces, but than Kx and Qx hands which I think you want him to call here.

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It actually hurts me more if the BB opens up his range. For the following range:
SB 88+,AJs+,AQo+
BB 22+,A2+,K2+,Q2+
my EV drops to -0.6%

I definitely agree that there's added value in becoming the chipleader on the bubble. Is there any way to estimate how much added equity that gives us?