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BubbleMint 11-19-2007 08:26 AM

AK in position, line check please...
 
UTG has been trappy. Waiting until the turn to raise flopped sets and two pairs, even on drawy boards.

MP1 plays 6 max primarily, he linmps or cold calls with suiyed conectors and suited gappers, is generally passive.

Other players are unknowns.

On the flop, 4 is too many to C bet against ? I think the rule of thumb is to C bet 3 or less ?

Full Tilt 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (14.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (7.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds.

River: (11.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds.

Final Pot: 13.25 BB

Mitke 11-19-2007 08:36 AM

Re: AK in position, line check please...
 
* g *

That's too drawy a board to c-bet + you've got company in numbers. You will not win the pot here. You will not in all likehood clear any outs. Your outs can be dirty (reverse domination must be a worry here).

The pot is biggish but you probably don't have the best hand and chances are a bet here wouldn't win you much equity. Any pair on that board probably has a GS to help.

I'd probably take the free card vs. two villains in this kind of a spot quite often.

WP, nice hand.

Saikkonen 11-19-2007 09:02 AM

Re: AK in position, line check please...
 
It really is an easy check. You will most certainly be against a least a pair or a gutshotdraw which all have odds to call. So it'll be a clear mistake to sweeten the pot when you actually will be behind most of the time.

The hand is well played.

Against two players I mostly continuebet. Both just have to fold 1/15 which mostly equals that combined they should fold each 1/4 of the time. Or said another way. Each should call 75% of the time to make a contbet unprofitable against two. But against 3 the combined probabilities are just too low.

myKing 11-19-2007 10:25 AM

Re: AK in position, line check please...
 
What about betting to narrow the field and take a free turn card?

KitCloudkicker 11-19-2007 10:31 AM

Re: AK in position, line check please...
 
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What about betting to narrow the field

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lol

Mitke 11-19-2007 10:52 AM

Re: AK in position, line check please...
 
The pot is so big that if villains are faced with one SB they are right to call with a pocket pair and BDSD.

You probably won't narrow the field with a bet significantly, and you could easily be betting into a trap (note: trapping would be pretty stupid here with this board and this many to the flop and no quaranteed c-bet).

One Outer 11-19-2007 04:26 PM

Re: AK in position, line check please...
 
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What about betting to narrow the field

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lol

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I'm chuckling. QFT.

One Outer 11-19-2007 04:27 PM

Re: AK in position, line check please...
 
Dude, why did you post the hand? It's perfect. You can't cbet into a J9x board against this many opponents and it was impossible for you to screw up the big streets. NH

jesse8888 11-19-2007 04:28 PM

Re: AK in position, line check please...
 
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Dude, why did you post the hand? It's perfect. You can't cbet into a J9x board against this many opponents and it was impossible for you to screw up the big streets. NH

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The subject does say "Line Check", and I think it's just that. NH.

jesse8888 11-19-2007 04:32 PM

Re: AK in position, line check please...
 
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What about betting to narrow the field and take a free turn card?

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Narrowing the field here will be almost impossible. In a pot this big, everyone is going to peel and, at least against your hand, is right to do. Given that it's almost impossible for you to be currently winning, I just don't think betting here is the right way to go.


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