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Edge34 12-02-2007 12:44 AM

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Oh yeah...I'm just going to throw out a vote for a USC/LSU National Championship. Ohio State hasn't done [censored].

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I could tolerate this.

USC plays in a better conference than OSU, they lost two games by a combined 11 points this year (one on the road against Oregon) and beat Arizona State by 20 in Tempe. USC deserves the title game much more than Ohio State, and I don't think its all that close.

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Not all that close? You happen to remember the details of that other loss USC has?

Because OSU's loss was to a team that is probably going to a BCS bowl. What is Stanford's bowl outlook this year?

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Well, aside from your obvious bias toward your team (mine is going to a bowl at least...), fine. Let's take Oregon out of the picture. USC lost to Stanford on a last second prayer. Statistically, USC outplayed the hell out of Stanford, but Booty kept giving the ball up at bad times. The only stat Stanford beat USC in was, obviously, the only one that matters, the score.

OSU has the benefit of playing in the Big Ten, and you can't honestly argue that Michigan and Illinois compare to the way Arizona State and Oregon played most of this year.

barryc83 12-02-2007 12:44 AM

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Honestly, the only real discussion is LSU or USC.

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If you are considering USC you have to consider Oklahoma.

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No you don't. Before today, here are the Sagarin SOS numbers for those two.

Oklahoma #67
USC #33

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One of USC's losses is so utterly terrible though.

rigged81 12-02-2007 12:45 AM

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I can see or TOSU vs USC TSOU vs OU as a viable option. TOSU vs LSU is not a marketable in my opinion. LSU does not equal Florida last from last year ( who played the best game ever in CF). LSU slipped by 20 games with a a lot of luck and based upon todays press conference a total clown for a head coach

Any argument that includes well they beat Boise State is a joke. Any rational CFB fan can concur

DVaut1 12-02-2007 12:45 AM

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Honestly, the only real discussion is LSU or USC.

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If you are considering USC you have to consider Oklahoma.

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No you don't. Before today, here are the Sagarin SOS numbers for those two.

Oklahoma #67
USC #33

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This is irrelevant because neither OU or USC is going, but even considering SOS, USC has a really bad loss (to Stanford) to take into account. OU only has a pedestrian bad loss (to Colorado) to consider.

pirateboy 12-02-2007 12:46 AM

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USC's losses to a healthy Oregon team and Stanford is no worse than Colorado/Texas Tech. Thus, you go back to SOS.

FlyWf 12-02-2007 12:46 AM

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I could tolerate this.

USC plays in a better conference than OSU, they lost two games by a combined 11 points this year (one on the road against Oregon) and beat Arizona State by 20 in Tempe. USC deserves the title game much more than Ohio State, and I don't think its all that close.

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Exactly. I mean, some people are dumb enough to vote for Hawaii to make the NC, but if you ask a rational person, isn't OSU basically Hawaii-lite? They lost to a 9-3 Illini team, and they didn't dominate seemingly average Michigan and Wisconsin teams. Is this really any different than what Hawaii did: playing a cake schedule, playing like [censored], and barely winning?

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Well, USC loss to [censored] STANFORD.

Also, you just plain wrong about OSU's schedule(56th in the country, Hawaii's is 142nd, USC 33rd) and their "barely winning". They beat Wisconsin 38-17 and held Michigan under 100 yards of total offense at Michigan.

So no, OSU is not Hawaii lite.

barryc83 12-02-2007 12:46 AM

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USC's losses to a healthy Oregon team and Stanford is no worse than Colorado/Texas Tech. Thus, you go back to SOS.

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Nah thats your opinion and very very debatable. USC lost as a 40 point favorite. That's a really really bad loss.

bottomset 12-02-2007 12:47 AM

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So had Va Tech lost to a mediocre team by 40, it would almost be better for them.

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And that's why the H2H argument is flawed. Losing to a mediocre team should never be > losing to a really good team. Other things being equal you'd put LSU above Va. Tech because of that game, but other things aren't equal. LSU lost at home to a crap team with everything on the line, and Va. Tech killed all the bad teams they played.

That being said I'd probably still put LSU slightly ahead of Va. Tech but I definitely think Va. Tech > Georgia, USC and Oklahoma.

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if it was somewhat close game sure

but a 41 point beating? come on, LSU>>>>>Va Tech

SoloAJ 12-02-2007 12:48 AM

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WHY IS OKLAHOMA NOT IN THE TITLE GAME? THEY JUST BEAT THE #1 TEAM IN THE NATION. THAT MAKES THEM THE #1 TEAM IN THE NATION!!!!!!!!!

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DVaut1 12-02-2007 12:48 AM

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Stanford is no worse than Colorado/Texas Tech

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Sagarin rankings:

Texas Tech - 31
Colorado - 52
Stanford - 82


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