3-way river with 2nd pair. Valuetown?
 

Hi guys

I was asked to do a video playing low limit.

Came across this hand early on in which I end up in a bit of a unfamiliar spot. I have been thinking about it ever since


Button here seemed to be a huge old school loose passive fish

BB seemed TAGgish. But as I remember I wasnt quite sure at that point in time.

My thinking here is that I almost always beat BB who either has AK, AT or possibly AJ. Do I still have a valuebet?


Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) Party Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, Button calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, BB calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, BB calls.

River: (10.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero ??

Re: 3-way river with 2nd pair. Valuetown?
 

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Hi guys

I was asked to do a video playing low limit.

Came across this hand early on in which I end up in a bit of a unfamiliar spot. I have been thinking about it ever since


Button here seemed to be a huge old school loose passive fish

BB seemed TAGgish. But as I remember I wasnt quite sure at that point in time.

My thinking here is that I almost always beat BB who either has AK, AT or possibly AJ. Do I still have a valuebet?


Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) Party Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, Button calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, BB calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, BB calls.

River: (10.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero ??

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I check this every time, but I am bad at value betting the river.

I think the button's range is made up of too many weakish queens and Jx (most of which you beat, but not AJ/KJ), and of course T9 just got there.

Re: 3-way river with 2nd pair. Valuetown?
 

I bet-fold but it might be for the wrong reason that if I check, I'll call. The btn will be calling with a lot of his hands, making my mistake much smaller if BB has us beat.

Re: 3-way river with 2nd pair. Valuetown?
 

it is probably impossible to accurately get a range for the loose passive button, but what do you think of this:

KJs-K9s, QTs-Q6s, J6s+, T9s, KJo-K9o, QTo-Q9o, J9o+, T9o

Against this range we have 45% equity.

edit: I forgot AJs and AJo, so that would drop our equity even lower.

Re: 3-way river with 2nd pair. Valuetown?
 

Ya that range looks about right. I do think he has 98 and T8 as well tho and lower pp's and something like bottom pair.

Hmmm. Looks like I missed a bit of value

Re: 3-way river with 2nd pair. Valuetown?
 

call flop

Re: 3-way river with 2nd pair. Valuetown?
 

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call flop

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I am 100% sure that would be a mistake

Re: 3-way river with 2nd pair. Valuetown?
 

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Ya that range looks about right. I do think he has 98 and T8 as well tho and lower pp's and something like bottom pair.

Hmmm. Looks like I missed a bit of value

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if you check, button bets, and the tag folds, do you think you have a clear call, a clear fold or it's close? if it's close then you should probably bet, because there are more worse hands that will call than those that will bet. if it's a clear call or a clear fold, then your decision becomes closer.

Re: 3-way river with 2nd pair. Valuetown?
 

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call flop

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I am 100% sure that would be a mistake

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not even 0.1% chance? [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

Re: 3-way river with 2nd pair. Valuetown?
 

If button really is that loose passive then bet the river and nh.