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Neuge 09-12-2006 05:59 AM

PS 50+5 UTG with TT
 
1st level, maybe the 15th hand. I've raised once w/ JJ UTG and no callers. I think this raise is real light, classic squeeze, but that just may be the MTT player in me. Minimal reads and no notes, this player has once raised and taken the blinds.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Hero (t1650)
MP1 (t1410)
MP2 (t1550)
MP3 (t1310)
CO (t1510)
Button (t1530)
SB (t1460)
BB (t1580)
UTG (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t60</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO calls t60, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t660</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero</font>???

Sorry if this is basic, but a range here would be beneficial. I've had trouble putting people on a reasonably accurate hand in this situation at this level.

FoldYourLife 09-12-2006 06:01 AM

Re: PS 50+5 UTG with TT
 
It's really difficult to put villain on a range in this spot, because if he makes that kind of raise, he's obviously not playing by the book. Either way it's a fold.

Neuge 09-12-2006 06:11 AM

Re: PS 50+5 UTG with TT
 
[ QUOTE ]
It's really difficult to put villain on a range in this spot, because if he makes that kind of raise, he's obviously not playing by the book. Either way it's a fold.

[/ QUOTE ]Can you give me a reason why a fold? I know it's difficult as why I'm having trouble with a range, but I don't see a clear fold here. (MTT bias obv)

FoldYourLife 09-12-2006 06:22 AM

Re: PS 50+5 UTG with TT
 
I'll do my best to put my thoughts into words, I'm really tired. In a SNG you are not trying to accumulate chips in the manner you are in a MTT, since you are playing to get ITM and not just go for 1st. You probably have no FE equity if you push, and unless villain has a smaller pair, you are either dominated or flipping. You can definitely push QQ, JJ is debatable.

HesseJam 09-12-2006 07:01 AM

Re: PS 50+5 UTG with TT
 
Yup, that's the key here: "unless villain has a smaller pair, you are either dominated or flipping".

A range is really difficult here. The raise could mean "I don't want to play post flop" or it's purpose is that you just think this.

I don't think that you will see a fold by him often enough if you repop. If he folded his hand, he would be a 100% donk.

Neuge 09-12-2006 07:27 AM

Re: PS 50+5 UTG with TT
 
I'm not expecting him to ever fold to a reraise. I'm just trying to figure out how I fair against his reraise range for a push.

I guess it's not good and I appriciate the analysis. It's just in MTTs I see a lower pair more often than JJ+. Well, and a flip isn't usually to be avoided then.

tigerite 09-12-2006 08:49 AM

Re: PS 50+5 UTG with TT
 
This is not a MTT, that's the simple and only answer to your question.

I also wouldn't raise tens here, they are too weak into a whole field UTG+1 at level 1.

AJGibson 09-12-2006 08:57 AM

Re: PS 50+5 UTG with TT
 
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I also wouldn't raise tens here, they are too weak into a whole field UTG+1 at level 1.

[/ QUOTE ]
If you're limping here for set value, would you also limp with smaller pairs? Or are you suggesting a fold?

tigerite 09-12-2006 09:40 AM

Re: PS 50+5 UTG with TT
 
Yes, I would limp with smaller pairs too

patchdiaz 09-12-2006 12:05 PM

Re: PS 50+5 UTG with TT
 
I think TT is a nice raise hand here. I limp 99- but not tens.
Regards


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