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iggymcfly 10-28-2007 07:11 PM

Maximizing value on the turn and river (0.5/1)
 
I've been trying to actually use good BR management since busting my account a month or two ago, so I've been playing a little smaller lately. Anyway, what's your turn and river plan here? Villain is a 50/8/1.1.

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($98.50)
SB ($249.55)
Hero ($148.15)
UTG ($239.10)
MP ($57.75)
CO ($139.70)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls $1, Button calls $1, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($4) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $3.8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $15.2</font>, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls $11.40.

Turn: ($34.40) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks...

sc000t 10-28-2007 07:16 PM

Re: Maximizing value on the turn and river (0.5/1)
 
Bet $20 here and then bet the river hard if it misses all draws.

If a 789345 or club hit I value bet and hope he hit an inside gutter or BDF.

Flip-Flop 10-28-2007 07:20 PM

Re: Maximizing value on the turn and river (0.5/1)
 
It shouldn`t be hard to put this guy on a hand in this hand.

The question is what do you think he puts you on.
So, what are your stats and image?
Is he a thinking player?

pete fabrizio 10-28-2007 07:22 PM

Re: Maximizing value on the turn and river (0.5/1)
 
it's close but i'd probably check and hope to get one more street of value out of whatever he has or might hit. i don't think you get 2 streets of value out of 66 or 22 often enough to bet -- unless you think he's capable of continuing to call with a draw or an overpair. against a more aggressive player i might bet and hope he tries to do something fancy.

JSmith2007 10-28-2007 07:28 PM

Re: Maximizing value on the turn and river (0.5/1)
 
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Bet $20 here and then bet the river hard if it misses all draws.

If a 789345 or club hit I value bet and hope he hit an inside gutter or BDF.

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lol? Bet the river hard if it HITS draws, not if it doesn't. You have to assume he's drawing here and hitting a draw gives him a good hand, which you get paid off.

Bet $15 on the turn and induce him to call.

iggymcfly 10-28-2007 11:19 PM

Re: Maximizing value on the turn and river (0.5/1)
 
Did you all notice that:
1) villain led into a 4-way flop here
2) villain has an aggression factor of 1.1
3) the flop was T62 rainbow

I think this is very rarely going to be a draw. I think with no tens out and only 2 twos out, we're going to be up against 66 probably over half the time. I don't think it's even worth worrying about the draws. He's not going to be drawing very often and when he is, he's usually going to fold.

In the actual hand, I bet 1/2 pot on the turn and 1/2 pot on the river, not wanting him to fold, think I had T6 or T2. In retrospect though, I was thinking maybe I should have taken a stronger line given what donkish stats he has. Does he fold a boat if I pot both streets? What if I pot the turn and bet 1/2 pot on the river? Or maybe 1/2 pot the turn and pot the river.

I think 1/2 potting both streets would be best against maybe a 28/13, but I'm not sure where the balance is against a looser player. I'm thinking pot, 1/2 pot might have been the best play, but I'm really not sure.

Flip-Flop 10-28-2007 11:37 PM

Re: Maximizing value on the turn and river (0.5/1)
 
Ever heard of 3/4? hehe

The only logical hand for him to have after that flop call is 66 I agree.
If he isn`t a total retard or sleeping he might be a lil bit worried about T2 because you play a random hand here (unraised pot from BB) but not worried enough to fold.

Anyway, I vote 3/4, 3/4 for no other reason then to be different.


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