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Kovner 03-28-2006 04:17 PM

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once again, betting the turn is a huge leak.

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What's the correct line, then? check/call the turn, check/fold the river unimproved?

03-28-2006 04:19 PM

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Plus, if he just c/r pushed the turn I'dve probly called putting him on A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Kx or some other pair+draw

-Skeme- 03-28-2006 04:24 PM

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best line is still checking behind on the turn.

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Yeah.


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check/call the turn, check/fold the river unimproved?

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Hero has position, so check-check turn, and call decent river bet = lose less than bet turn into flush.

03-28-2006 04:24 PM

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sigh, ok

amoeba 03-28-2006 04:26 PM

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once again, betting the turn is a huge leak.

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Do you really think so? Should I put my opponent on A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] immediately after he calls the flop bet? I mean, cmon he can have a lot of hands and the last thing I want to is check and have him "accidently" river me with some small [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

Folding river seems correct, but then again I _AM_ a call station.

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ok, flop is K 5 4. you have 2 Ks. what kind of hand calls your flop bet there? not very likely a made hand.

how often is it that he has a hand that called you on the flop, has a single diamond, and a non board pairing diamond hits the river?

compare that to how often he has a lesser made hand (say underpair that didn't believe you on the flop) that called the flop, a blank hits river, and he tries to bluff you.

compare that to seeing your 10 outer for free and punishing him for checking the turn with a made flush.

instead, you'll rather protect a small pot against a very unlikely scenario by putting in all your money and giving maximum implied odds to flush draws on the flop.



you have to understand that the 4th diamond hits the river very seldomly.

turn bet is just bad.

amoeba 03-28-2006 04:27 PM

Re: Save the money or burn it?
 
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once again, betting the turn is a huge leak.

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What's the correct line, then? check/call the turn, check/fold the river unimproved?

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checkbehind on the turn. reevaluate on river.

03-28-2006 04:28 PM

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okokokookokokokokok

ski 03-28-2006 04:36 PM

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Your line looks fine.

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no it sucks balls.

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lol, and I agree with amoeba here.

invisibleleadsoup 03-28-2006 04:45 PM

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Yeah I should have bet more on flop, but I have been making a lot of 3/4 cbets and was hoping to get played back at.

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why should you bet more on the flop?
44 into 56 seems fine to me,its not like he's getting odds to call with a draw
you have top set,you don't want him to just fold...
am i missing something?
would most of you bet more on the flop?

amoeba 03-28-2006 04:46 PM

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Yeah I should have bet more on flop, but I have been making a lot of 3/4 cbets and was hoping to get played back at.

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why should you bet more on the flop?
44 into 56 seems fine to me,its not like he's getting odds to call with a draw
you have top set,you don't want him to just fold...
am i missing something?
would most of you bet more on the flop?

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flop bet amount is fine especially for metagame considerations.


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