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tarath 11-29-2007 02:51 AM

QQ vs Lag in tricky spot
 
Villian is 36/30/24 over 100 hands

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

SB: $195
Hero (BB): $285
UTG: $246.50
CO: $365.05
BTN: $553.30

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $7</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $26</font>, CO calls $19

Flop: ($53) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $42</font>, Hero calls $42

Turn: ($137) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $103</font>, Hero ????

I'm interested in thouhgts on all streets.

I c/c flop because i hate turning my hand into a bluff against a super aggro opponent who would bluff his entire range here. how often is he DBing hands i beat here.

What do you make of his bet size?

ofishstix 11-29-2007 02:54 AM

Re: QQ vs Lag in tricky spot
 
preflop is fine
i usually bet this flop myself and decide from there.
given you checked I'd really way to check/call the flop and check raise all in the turn. assuming that his AF is actually 24 of course.

tarath 11-29-2007 02:56 AM

Re: QQ vs Lag in tricky spot
 
doesn't betting flop just fold out hands we are way ahead of and get call/raised when we're behind?

ofishstix 11-29-2007 03:01 AM

Re: QQ vs Lag in tricky spot
 
like he would ever fold TT if you bet out here...

bigbluffben 11-29-2007 03:12 AM

Re: QQ vs Lag in tricky spot
 
Unless you planned on c/calling down I think c/c the flop is a useless play. It gives him total control of the hand and now he gives you the tough decision. I bet the flop and if just called I check the turn and go from there

tarath 11-29-2007 03:33 AM

Re: QQ vs Lag in tricky spot
 
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Unless you planned on c/calling down I think c/c the flop is a useless play. It gives him total control of the hand and now he gives you the tough decision. I bet the flop and if just called I check the turn and go from there

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Well the thing is he probobly expects me to cbet almost anything here right? Is the flop bet for value or a bluff? I'm WA/WB right?

My gut agrees with you but i'm having trouble understanding why this is the right play...

How is making him call flop and see if I check turn to fire turn any better than making him fire flop and turn. And if all I'm doing by firing the flop is making it hard for him to bluff with the middle of his range why isn't c/c c/c c/c the right line?

bigbluffben 11-29-2007 03:39 AM

Re: QQ vs Lag in tricky spot
 
I would bet the flop for value and if he thinks youre cbetting all flops then its all history from there... sometimes if i get raised i shove here and sometimes i fold but i'm def not c/c the flop.. what if he has 88-10 10 now he has you guessing his range

nazahl 11-29-2007 03:40 AM

Re: QQ vs Lag in tricky spot
 
well he's a LAG so he's doing what he does when you check to him. I'd pay him off here

Double Eagle 11-29-2007 03:41 AM

Re: QQ vs Lag in tricky spot
 
He shouldn't have many kings in this spot but he can have diamonds and will bluff them every time and my do so with air anyway. Bet/call flop or if you feel like he will keep firing with air then go for the check call line, just don't fold.

tarath 11-29-2007 03:57 AM

Re: QQ vs Lag in tricky spot
 
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like he would ever fold TT if you bet out here...

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Maybe i'm just a noob but aren't AQ, AJ, QJs, 88, 99, J10s, and maybe 66, 89s, all in the range of hands he'll bluff if I check but probably fold if I bet? I think in your example your chosing the 2 hands (10/10 and JJ) that support your argument.


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