100r, deep stacks, tricky spot
 

Villain seems solid tag, hero has shown down only good hands and won two allins so far, one with AK and one with top pair on flush draw board.



PokerStars Game #13261075658: Tournament #66631016, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (600/1200) - 2007/11/15 - 17:12:27 (ET)
Table '66631016 20' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: AJKHoosier1 (61176 in chips)
Seat 2: tumy2007 (51200 in chips)
Seat 3: JChiles915 (9550 in chips)
Seat 4: aconsuma (68988 in chips)
Seat 5: fabsoul (46048 in chips)
Seat 7: FishList_net (64418 in chips)
Seat 8: Annette_15 (20276 in chips)
Seat 9: krossmajo (45074 in chips)
AJKHoosier1: posts the ante 125
tumy2007: posts the ante 125
JChiles915: posts the ante 125
aconsuma: posts the ante 125
fabsoul: posts the ante 125
FishList_net: posts the ante 125
Annette_15: posts the ante 125
krossmajo: posts the ante 125
JChiles915: posts small blind 600
aconsuma: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to aconsuma [Kc Ah]
fabsoul: raises 1800 to 3000
FishList_net: calls 3000
Annette_15: folds
krossmajo: folds
AJKHoosier1: folds
tumy2007: folds
JChiles915: folds
aconsuma: raises 10000 to 13000
AJKHoosier1 said, "her husband aint bad either"
fabsoul: folds
FishList_net: raises 51293 to 64293 and is all-in
aconsuma: ????

Re: 100r, deep stacks, tricky spot
 

If his range were KK+/AK only (and weighted evenly), this would be almost exactly neutral cEV. It's hard to imagine his range changing too much from this, so it's definitely close.

Re: 100r, deep stacks, tricky spot
 

call. he might think you are squeezing. I mean he is calling a UTG raise (which is only a 2.5x raise) and then shoves. This is a lot of PP and worse hands,

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call. he might think you are squeezing. I mean he is calling a UTG raise (which is only a 2.5x raise) and then shoves. This is a lot of PP and worse hands,

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no, it really isn't

Re: 100r, deep stacks, tricky spot
 

It sucks but I fold it, lately when ever I am seeing an ep flat it's the nuts with a rr/ai.

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If his range were KK+/AK only (and weighted evenly), this would be almost exactly neutral cEV. It's hard to imagine his range changing too much from this, so it's definitely close.

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You think he's not doing this with QQ? JJ is a bit closer, but JJ call and then squeezed gets shoved in these threads always. I think you have to call here.

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call. he might think you are squeezing. I mean he is calling a UTG raise (which is only a 2.5x raise) and then shoves. This is a lot of PP and worse hands,

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no, it really isn't

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Agreed. An optimistic range here is TT+/AK, though i wonder if he'll flat again with AA to the reraise. I'm not sure.

Re: 100r, deep stacks, tricky spot
 

i say JJ here or 1010 can't really be thinking any other hand.
results?

Re: 100r, deep stacks, tricky spot
 

this seems like a instamuck, he can def be flatting here with AA, KK, AK, and its super doubtful he is 4betting with AQ here

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I can't see anything other than AA,KK or maybe QQ here. You're too deep and not get good pot odds against that range. Fold.

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g0lfa, you are aconsuma?

I'd never fold here w/ aconsuma's image

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g0lfa, you are aconsuma?

I'd never fold here w/ aconsuma's image

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I dont think aconsuma is that over aggro. Do you?

Re: 100r, deep stacks, tricky spot
 

No , Aconsuma is a friend of mine, i thought i would post it for him since he doesn't have a name on here.

At the time, Acons image was very solid and we surmised that the villain had to be huge here. JJ+ AK. We took the conservative route and folded, leaving us with 55k chips at 600/1200.

Re: 100r, deep stacks, tricky spot
 

I'm bored of this hand, here's another one.

PokerStars Game #13265464046: Tournament #66631059, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/11/15 - 21:10:32 (ET)
Table '66631059 13' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: gregior (7270 in chips)
Seat 2: JSchnett (7285 in chips)
Seat 3: loooser17 (17280 in chips)
Seat 4: thebirdman84 (5675 in chips)
Seat 5: Killer_ooooo (9285 in chips)
Seat 6: MENTOR 2 (17510 in chips)
Seat 7: ElMastermind (5595 in chips)
Seat 8: yoshdog22 (6875 in chips)
Seat 9: shaundeeb (7445 in chips)
loooser17: posts small blind 75
thebirdman84: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JSchnett [Qd Qc]
Killer_ooooo: folds
MENTOR 2: calls 150
ElMastermind: folds
yoshdog22: calls 150
shaundeeb: folds
gregior: folds
JSchnett: raises 600 to 750
loooser17: calls 675
thebirdman84: folds
MENTOR 2: raises 3450 to 4200
yoshdog22: folds
JSchnett: raises 3085 to 7285 and is all-in

Re: 100r, deep stacks, tricky spot
 

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g0lfa, you are aconsuma?

I'd never fold here w/ aconsuma's image

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I dont think aconsuma is that over aggro. Do you?

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He has been from the times i've played with him, but you've likely played more with him

Re: 100r, deep stacks, tricky spot
 

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I'm bored of this hand, here's another one.

PokerStars Game #13265464046: Tournament #66631059, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/11/15 - 21:10:32 (ET)
Table '66631059 13' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: gregior (7270 in chips)
Seat 2: JSchnett (7285 in chips)
Seat 3: loooser17 (17280 in chips)
Seat 4: thebirdman84 (5675 in chips)
Seat 5: Killer_ooooo (9285 in chips)
Seat 6: MENTOR 2 (17510 in chips)
Seat 7: ElMastermind (5595 in chips)
Seat 8: yoshdog22 (6875 in chips)
Seat 9: shaundeeb (7445 in chips)
loooser17: posts small blind 75
thebirdman84: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JSchnett [Qd Qc]
Killer_ooooo: folds
MENTOR 2: calls 150
ElMastermind: folds
yoshdog22: calls 150
shaundeeb: folds
gregior: folds
JSchnett: raises 600 to 750
loooser17: calls 675
thebirdman84: folds
MENTOR 2: raises 3450 to 4200
yoshdog22: folds
JSchnett: raises 3085 to 7285 and is all-in

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i like

Re: 100r, deep stacks, tricky spot
 

I think you definitely see QQ and AK a ton here.

Re: 100r, deep stacks, tricky spot
 

If you're not calling the 4bet don't [censored] 3bet pf. If you'd even consider folding then make it more preflop so you can't.

Your equity against TT+ and AK is 40%. No chance I fold here when there's some random chance his range is a lot bigger.

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g0lfa, KQ > QJ

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If you're not calling the 4bet don't [censored] 3bet pf.

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Though I am sure one could come up with an odd exception I agree with this statement the VAST majority of the time.

If I am 3 balling AK here then I am definitely calling the shove.

What was the hero hoping to accomplish with his pf raise? What hands did he think would call him? Which hands would fold? Which would shove? I think no matter what the answers are to these questions the result should either be to flat call pf or to 3 bet and call the shove.

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g0lfa, KQ > QJ

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Hahahaha I was at the table for this. GL trying to get dan to fold, g0lfa. Oh and what gobbo said about your AK hand.

Re: 100r, deep stacks, tricky spot
 

I doubt with these stacks and positions that FishList has KK+ here very often if ever. This looks so much like TT-QQ. He decides to flat the original utg raise then decides to jam on your (or your friend's) potential squeeze from the bb. He may also play AK this way. And obviously as gobbo already mentioned, don't 3bet pre if you're not willing to stack off to either player.