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Vinetou 09-23-2007 05:54 AM

200NL TPTK - easy fold?
 
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($141.50)
Button ($9.35)
SB ($138.85)
BB ($158.30)
Hero ($145.60)
MP ($223.10)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB calls $7, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($18) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $12</font>, SB calls $12.

Turn: ($42) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $26</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $116</font>, ?????????

Villain is tight, he didn't get out of the line yet. This line always screams a strong hand, calling the flop and raising the turn. Is this an easy fold?

ToFarGone 09-23-2007 06:00 AM

Re: 200NL TPTK - easy fold?
 
i'd just muck it. rebuy preflop please.

Vinetou 09-23-2007 06:02 AM

Re: 200NL TPTK - easy fold?
 
I didn't have time to reload because I just lost previous pot. I always reload imidiately.

mertzo 09-23-2007 06:53 AM

Re: 200NL TPTK - easy fold?
 
edit: like your line and your betsizing, now fold. didnt se the stacksizes first time around

Vinetou 09-23-2007 08:13 AM

Re: 200NL TPTK - easy fold?
 
I was stubborn and I called and he had AQ, just like I predicted. I have to trust my reads more even when I am steaming.

scallop 09-23-2007 08:57 AM

Re: 200NL TPTK - easy fold?
 
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edit: like your line and your betsizing, now fold. didnt se the stacksizes first time around

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Don't you think a flush draw is part if villians range?

I think this is a super easy fold if we make a psb on the turn, plus we can charge the draws.

primate 09-23-2007 09:31 AM

Re: 200NL TPTK - easy fold?
 
You define your hand on the turn. By betting as you did you have effectively commited yourself to the hand by putting 1/3 your stack in the middle.
If your not happy felting it in these types of situations then consider checking turn and looking for cheap showdown.

Melchiades 09-23-2007 09:41 AM

Re: 200NL TPTK - easy fold?
 
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You define your hand on the turn. By betting as you did you have effectively commited yourself to the hand by putting 1/3 your stack in the middle.
If your not happy felting it in these types of situations then consider checking turn and looking for cheap showdown.

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You seem to completely ignore the times they have a weaker ace and check calls 3 streets. Just because you bet this turn, you don't have to call the raise.

primate 09-23-2007 09:48 AM

Re: 200NL TPTK - easy fold?
 
Villain was tight and called a raise in the blinds. Once he comes along for the ride I slow down. By C betting the turn you commit yself to the hand. Villains range is not that wide

Sh@i'tan 09-23-2007 10:06 AM

Re: 200NL TPTK - easy fold?
 
[ QUOTE ]
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You define your hand on the turn. By betting as you did you have effectively commited yourself to the hand by putting 1/3 your stack in the middle.
If your not happy felting it in these types of situations then consider checking turn and looking for cheap showdown.

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You seem to completely ignore the times they have a weaker ace and check calls 3 streets. Just because you bet this turn, you don't have to call the raise.

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how often is a tight villian calling us down on 3 streets with an ace? what aces are in his range to call us down?

we opened UTG w/o any prior history ch/cing the whole way with an ace that we are beating by villian is absolutely terrible here.

i check back this turn and call/vb river.

as played the turn is an insta fold.

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By C betting the turn you commit yself to the hand.

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we still have &gt; 66% of the effective stack size to work with after we bet the turn, we are in no way committed.


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