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MyTurn2Raise 12-02-2007 12:51 AM

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ESPNU BCS expert Brad Edwards now projecting that LSU will play in the title game

Edge34 12-02-2007 12:52 AM

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USC's losses to a healthy Oregon team and Stanford is no worse than Colorado/Texas Tech. Thus, you go back to SOS.

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Nah thats your opinion and very very debatable. USC lost as a 40 point favorite. That's a really really bad loss.

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And the New England Patriots didn't cover against the Eagles either. I know there's some statistical relevance to gambling lines, but I don't see how those really matter in the big picture.

ClarkNasty 12-02-2007 12:52 AM

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If Hawaii wins their game tonight, they should be in.

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Agreed. As I posted in the other thread, Hawaii has one less loss and a more impressive best victory(Boise St was ranked higher than Michigan) than OSU...why is Ohio St getting the nod?

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Because that's a ridiculously oversimplistic view of strength of schedule, accomplishment, and team strength? How about that OSU crushed most teams all year, while Hawaii had a very hard time with many very weak teams? And that OSU played a much harder (though overall still weak) schedule?

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If you don't think Hawaii has played enough tough teams, then put them in the title game against a tough team. That way, either way we'll know for sure. But if Hawaii doesn't get in, then we could have another Boise St situation where we truly don't know if they were the best team or not. Why would you rather not find out than find out if Hawaii is for real? I could understand your argument if there were many other deserving teams, but theres not so lets give the undefeated team a chance and see what happens. What happened to Boise St last year was a tragedy imo.

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Don't worry Assani, Hawaii is about to get housed by the 8th best team in the Pac 10. You'll know for sure they aren't the best in about 3 hours.

Assani Fisher 12-02-2007 12:53 AM

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If Hawaii wins their game tonight, they should be in.

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Agreed. As I posted in the other thread, Hawaii has one less loss and a more impressive best victory(Boise St was ranked higher than Michigan) than OSU...why is Ohio St getting the nod?

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Unfortunately for your argument, college football isn't a 1 game season.

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My argument was in response to those who repeatedly say "But thats only because they havn't played anyone" when the fact that Hawaii is undefeated is brought up.

DVaut1 12-02-2007 12:53 AM

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Stanford is no worse than Colorado/Texas Tech

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Sagarin rankings:

Texas Tech - 31
Colorado - 52
Stanford - 82

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Oregon with Dixon - 1

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Does not compute. Do we take USC's loss to Stanford (a pretty bad team) into account or not? USC lost to a team that is much worse than anyone else in the discussion lost to. This is relevant.

barryc83 12-02-2007 12:53 AM

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USC's losses to a healthy Oregon team and Stanford is no worse than Colorado/Texas Tech. Thus, you go back to SOS.

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Nah thats your opinion and very very debatable. USC lost as a 40 point favorite. That's a really really bad loss.

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And the New England Patriots didn't cover against the Eagles either. I know there's some statistical relevance to gambling lines, but I don't see how those really matter in the big picture.

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I was too lazy to look up the sagarin rating, but I remembered the -40 line.

iggymcfly 12-02-2007 12:53 AM

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OU beat Missouri by 21 points. Not by 1, not by 3, by 21. And they only lost to Texas Tech because Bradford was out.

If it was just the 2-loss team with the best SOS vs. the best 1-loss team, we'd be looking at Ohio State/Missouri.

Kos13 12-02-2007 12:54 AM

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Stanford is no worse than Colorado/Texas Tech

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Oregon with Dixon - 1

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Bingo. USC's losses are to a horrible, horrible team on a flukey fade pass, and then to the top team in the nation in a nailbiter.

I can absolutely see the argument for LSU over USC, but I still haven't heard a reasonable argument for OU or OSU over USC/LSU.

Analyst 12-02-2007 12:54 AM

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What is Stanford's bowl outlook this year?

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Somewhat bleaker than Stanford's Nobel Prize outlook this year.

Assani Fisher 12-02-2007 12:54 AM

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If Hawaii wins their game tonight, they should be in.

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Why? Why why why why why?

This argument should include three teams: Oklahoma, USC, and LSU. I can't comprehend how other people think there should be any other options besides those three teams.

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The goal of a season should be to declare an undisputed champ. If Hawaii loses the National title game then whatever team they lost to is the rightful national champ. Every other school would have lost including Hawaii. If Hawaii wins that game, then they've just beaten a tough team(in addittion to already beating a pretty good Boise St team) and they deserve it. Either way, I don't see how thats unfair! Whats unfair is what happened to Boise St last year. Do you not agree that Boise St did not get a fair shake last year in that they were undefeated, beat a solid Oklahoma team, and yet never got a shot at a title? That could happen again this year.

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Boise St sucked last year

a few fluke plays in a game where they were soundly outplayed

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LOL


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