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Grisgra 11-27-2007 02:54 PM

How many people will make more than $250,000 this year playing poker?
 
I understand that most people will be pulling guesses out of their ass, but meh, what the hell . . .

(Note -- note that it's *playing* poker, not coaching, having PStars dump money on your head for making bad commercials, running a poker site, etc.)

HensonLosesLots 11-27-2007 03:00 PM

Re: How many people will make more than $250,000 this year playing pok
 
Less than 100 obv. imo

Enervate 11-27-2007 03:00 PM

Re: How many people will make more than $250,000 this year playing pok
 
And around we go again...

pethie 11-27-2007 03:00 PM

Re: How many people will make more than $250,000 this year playing pok
 
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Less than 100 obv. imo

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No way.

imozyslow 11-27-2007 03:01 PM

Re: How many people will make more than $250,000 this year playing pok
 
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Less than 100 obv. imo

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lol?

demon102 11-27-2007 03:02 PM

Re: How many people will make more than $250,000 this year playing pok
 
the correct answer is yellow

Grisgra 11-27-2007 03:02 PM

Re: How many people will make more than $250,000 this year playing pok
 
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And around we go again...

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If I missed a similar thread, lemme know. I'm not one of them there hardcore NVG'ers.

Enervate 11-27-2007 03:03 PM

Re: How many people will make more than $250,000 this year playing pok
 
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And around we go again...

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If I missed a similar thread, lemme know. I'm not one of them there hardcore NVG'ers.

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There was a thread on 2+2 asking the same question this time last year.

stinkypete 11-27-2007 03:04 PM

Re: How many people will make more than $250,000 this year playing pok
 
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Less than 100 obv. imo

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lol?

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lol

Grisgra 11-27-2007 03:05 PM

Re: How many people will make more than $250,000 this year playing pok
 
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And around we go again...

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If I missed a similar thread, lemme know. I'm not one of them there hardcore NVG'ers.

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There was a thread on 2+2 asking the same question this time last year.

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Meh, once/year ain't so bad [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img].

As I'm sure you guessed, I just need to know what to say to my folks re I'm probably in the top X players.

PokerBob 11-27-2007 03:06 PM

Re: How many people will make more than $250,000 this year playing pok
 
i won't.

Grisgra 11-27-2007 03:13 PM

Re: How many people will make more than $250,000 this year playing pok
 
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i won't.

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Aren't you Mr. High Stakes Limit, P-Bob? I remain skeptical. But the IRS appreciates your honesty and promises to note your denial for the record [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

(Anyone who can fold a set getting 15:1 against a guy checkraising the river representing a backdoor flush is clearly . . . hmm, I'm not confident on how to end that sentence . . . [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] )

HensonLosesLots 11-27-2007 03:17 PM

Re: How many people will make more than $250,000 this year playing pok
 
Just curious since so many people seem to think 250,000 is so commonplace in the poker yearly salary....

Where are all these players at the high stakes tables? Just at the Stars and FullTilt players, there's probably 60-100 regulars at 25/50+ no limit/limit/omaha throughout the year.

And probably 1/3 are winning players. I'm basing this soley off ONLINE players. Live maybe different if you also count the donkamenters.

But to say 1,000 people make $250,000 a year based off Online Poker only seems a bit absurd to me. Anything higher than 500 quite high.

I'm going to quit this thread as I can already see this one building up to the hopefuls arguing how they been playing for 1 year and poker is so easy blah blah I know everything in the world because I'm on a 2 month heater blah blah blah... Yawn.

prohornblower 11-27-2007 03:18 PM

Re: How many people will make more than $250,000 this year playing poker?
 
ten point three.

Grisgra 11-27-2007 03:19 PM

Re: How many people will make more than $250,000 this year playing pok
 
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Just curious since so many people seem to think 250,000 is so commonplace in the poker yearly salary....

Where are all these players at the high stakes tables? Just at the Stars and FullTilt players, there's probably 60-100 regulars at 25/50+ no limit/limit/omaha throughout the year.

And probably 1/3 are winning players. I'm basing this soley off ONLINE players. Live maybe different if you also count the donkamenters.

But to say 1,000 people make $250,000 a year based off Online Poker only seems a bit absurd to me. Anything higher than 500 quite high.

I'm going to quit this thread as I can already see this one building up to the hopefuls arguing how they been playing for 1 year and poker is so easy blah blah I know everything in the world because I'm on a 2 month heater blah blah blah... Yawn.

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I think you may be forgetting about the 8-tabling 3/6 NL guys. Not that I know how to play NL, or 8-table, but I understand that there's a reasonable number of them out there, and if they play full time I can see that drawing a quarter-mil a year if they're good.

Hard way to make an easy living, though.

raptor517 11-27-2007 03:20 PM

Re: How many people will make more than $250,000 this year playing pok
 
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Just curious since so many people seem to think 250,000 is so commonplace in the poker yearly salary....

Where are all these players at the high stakes tables? Just at the Stars and FullTilt players, there's probably 60-100 regulars at 25/50+ no limit/limit/omaha throughout the year.

And probably 1/3 are winning players. I'm basing this soley off ONLINE players. Live maybe different if you also count the donkamenters.

But to say 1,000 people make $250,000 a year based off Online Poker only seems a bit absurd to me. Anything higher than 500 quite high.

I'm going to quit this thread as I can already see this one building up to the hopefuls arguing how they been playing for 1 year and poker is so easy blah blah I know everything in the world because I'm on a 2 month heater blah blah blah... Yawn.

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u seem to be forgetting live tournaments tournaments. theres a whole lot of them.

SnglMaltScotch 11-27-2007 03:20 PM

Re: How many people will make more than $250,000 this year playing pok
 
Well math tells me there are probably quite a few.

Assumptions:
30 hours/week
5/10 NL Player
3 ptbb/100
Normal Rakeback Deal through FT.

$250,000/year.

How many regular 5/10 players are there.

SMS

zasterguava 11-27-2007 03:21 PM

Re: How many people will make more than $250,000 this year playing pok
 
im guessing 20-30 soley from the wsop?

Christophers 11-27-2007 03:21 PM

Re: How many people will make more than $250,000 this year playing pok
 
Thousands of filthy rich 2p2 lurkers winning 6-figs every month on obscure Euro sites.

geormiet 11-27-2007 03:22 PM

Re: How many people will make more than $250,000 this year playing pok
 
In the whole world including live and online? I would guess there are 2000.

PokerBob 11-27-2007 03:23 PM

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i won't.

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Aren't you Mr. High Stakes Limit, P-Bob?

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just because i play in some bigger games doesn't mean i win. i play bad. just ask daryn.

HensonLosesLots 11-27-2007 03:24 PM

Re: How many people will make more than $250,000 this year playing pok
 
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Just curious since so many people seem to think 250,000 is so commonplace in the poker yearly salary....

Where are all these players at the high stakes tables? Just at the Stars and FullTilt players, there's probably 60-100 regulars at 25/50+ no limit/limit/omaha throughout the year.

And probably 1/3 are winning players. I'm basing this soley off ONLINE players. Live maybe different if you also count the donkamenters.

But to say 1,000 people make $250,000 a year based off Online Poker only seems a bit absurd to me. Anything higher than 500 quite high.

I'm going to quit this thread as I can already see this one building up to the hopefuls arguing how they been playing for 1 year and poker is so easy blah blah I know everything in the world because I'm on a 2 month heater blah blah blah... Yawn.

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u seem to be forgetting live tournaments tournaments. theres a whole lot of them.

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VPIP100 11-27-2007 03:25 PM

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im guessing 20-30 soley from the wsop?

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I think more from the WSOP alone. Then you have WSOPE, EPT, WPT and loads of other donkaments. FTOPS/ECOOP/WCOOP series.

Then you have some limit players who win alot, PLO players, NLHE players etc etc.

Then you have guy laliberte who donks off millions.

100+ and it aint even close.

Grisgra 11-27-2007 03:26 PM

Re: How many people will make more than $250,000 this year playing pok
 
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In the whole world including live and online? I would guess there are 2000.

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FWLIW that'd be my guess as well. Maybe a tad less, like 1800.

RiversAreBad 11-27-2007 03:27 PM

Re: How many people will make more than $250,000 this year playing pok
 
Im guessing maybe 1000. Course most of those people who make $250,000 this year may lost $250,000 the next year. You could have a completly new group of quarter millionarires next year.

zasterguava 11-27-2007 03:28 PM

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Source? Meh, wouldn't suprise me if he may even be included as one who has made 250k+ this year from playing poker.

HensonLosesLots 11-27-2007 03:34 PM

Re: How many people will make more than $250,000 this year playing pok
 
One more thing I'll mention.

You guys seem to think donkament winners all of a sudden win regularily? I wouldn't doubt if half the players who manage to cash donate it more about half the winnings back if not all.

I guess I misinteprated the question. I thought it was saying how many players consitantly win year in and year out 250,000+ ...

Sure you have the players who win donkaments, but they eventually gambooool it back or invest.. Doesn't mean they win that much yearly.

Anyways, this is a retarded argument. My truely last input to this thread is that it's largely overestimated the people who can make hundreds of thousands year in and year out. People who win those big tournies usually invest and then take a break or lose small amounts back at a time (Gold?)...

Sure people can go on heaters and win 250k+ in a year.. but can they consitantly do that in say over a 10 year time span by playing poker ONLY? doubtful.. If so I wouldn't think it's more than 100-300. Most of the high stakes 'pros' have an absurdly rich investment that will keep them wealthy year in and out.. there now I'm really done I hope

wrschultz 11-27-2007 03:37 PM

Re: How many people will make more than $250,000 this year playing pok
 
I would be VERY surprised if less than 10,000 people make $250k in 08. Also, I'm talking about people DIRECTLY playing only, and I'm not even including coaching/training/staking/etc.

Equal 11-27-2007 03:37 PM

Re: How many people will make more than $250,000 this year playing pok
 
There's at least 25+ that I know of personally in Vancouver. Extrapolating that, 2000+ plus seems reasonable.

Enervate 11-27-2007 03:38 PM

Re: How many people will make more than $250,000 this year playing pok
 
Someone find the thread from last year asking the same thing

Thx.

Grisgra 11-27-2007 03:39 PM

Re: How many people will make more than $250,000 this year playing pok
 
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One more thing I'll mention.

You guys seem to think donkament winners all of a sudden win regularily? I wouldn't doubt if half the players who manage to cash donate it more about half the winnings back if not all.

I guess I misinteprated the question. I thought it was saying how many players consitantly win year in and year out 250,000+ ...

Sure you have the players who win donkaments, but they eventually gambooool it back or invest.. Doesn't mean they win that much yearly.

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I think this is a good point when describing the WSOP winners or whatnot that luck into a huge payout. I'm sure some of them end up donating it back. But probably not a huge percent. 250k is a lot of money -- I don't know how many winning players are going to luck into 250k while being mediocre players overall. (Also note that while some crappy players may make more than 250k, some great players with bad luck will make less.)

Also, with online play being what it is, I think a lot of the 250k folks are there not because they're getting lucky at 25/50NL but because they're multitabling 20/40 limit or 5/10NL. Variance is going to play less of a role for these players; if they make 250k in one year, it's unlikely they'll make much less than that in any other.

Hock_ 11-27-2007 03:46 PM

Re: How many people will make more than $250,000 this year playing poker?
 
For limit hold'em alone, my guess is between 75 and 100.

Dan Terra 11-27-2007 03:47 PM

Re: How many people will make more than $250,000 this year playing pok
 
u can make 250k grinding at 3/6 nl eazy

Grisgra 11-27-2007 03:49 PM

Re: How many people will make more than $250,000 this year playing poker?
 
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For limit hold'em alone, my guess is between 75 and 100.

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ooooooh top 100 limit hold'em players in the world, I like the sound of that. (I think it's probably higher, though.)

iceman5 11-27-2007 03:49 PM

Re: How many people will make more than $250,000 this year playing pok
 
Whatever it was last year...its less this year.

Kirbynator 11-27-2007 03:50 PM

Re: How many people will make more than $250,000 this year playing pok
 
count me in [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img].

PhOENiX_111 11-27-2007 03:59 PM

Re: How many people will make more than $250,000 this year playing pok
 
Smart Money on here makes close to half a mil a year by 12 tabling 1/2 FR. So i suppose a lot of ppl are making 1/4 mil.

Grisgra 11-27-2007 04:08 PM

Re: How many people will make more than $250,000 this year playing pok
 
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Smart Money on here makes close to half a mil a year by 12 tabling 1/2 FR. So i suppose a lot of ppl are making 1/4 mil.

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That's so sick, but I can see how it's feasible (maybe?) to nutpeddle 10blinds/hour at 12 tables for $240/hr, if you were the king of low limit NL, and didn't go insane after the first 20 minutes. 12 tables . . . you kids these days.

Superfluous Man 11-27-2007 04:11 PM

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count me in if you only include online play and not the obscene sums i love in big live donkaments [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img].

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fixed for me, though I'm only like 8k away even if i include said live donkaments. And if you include staking i'm way over.

KamiKatze 11-27-2007 04:14 PM

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He said zero.


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