15/30 Top two multiway
 

Blind is toesanders. He's aggressive and tight, often 3bets from the blinds HU, so I figure him for a decent ace, sc or pp with the call pf. Button is eetcheezegoodson. He's solid, agressive. Lately he's been trash talking me like crazy in chat, I've been responding. He's been running me over a bit in spots where I have marginal hands on ugly boards. Thinks I am no good and tries to outplay me a lot.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $15/$30
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $9069
CO: $3554
Button: $7030
SB: $6297
BB: $6243

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $105</font>, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($345, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $210</font>, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($975, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero ...

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I should mention I had been betting a lot larger when HU, but the hand just before this had bet the same amount in a multiway A hi board and taken it down (this was on the turn, not as pfr)

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Very nice stack sir.

A check seems like a good play here, since I don't see us getting a lot of calls from hands we beat. Then call or maybe raise if button bets, SB folds. Probaly raise if button bets and SB just calls, that should clear up if anyone has the deuces. Tough if button bets, SB raises, depends on bet sizes, but probably call here as well, hoping for a nice boat over boat??

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wow.. what a weird hand, c/c I guess, anything else is gonna get you into a whole lot of trouble, obviously lead river.

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bet like 565?

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Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $15/$30
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $9069
CO: $3554
Button: $7030
SB: $6297
BB: $6243

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $105</font>, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($345, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $210</font>, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($975, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $777</font>, SB folds, Hero calls.

River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($2529, 2 players)
Hero...

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Checking seems great for all scenarios but when SB check-raises. I wouldn't like any of my options at that point and could see myself making a huge mistake.

I think I'd just bet to keep the SB's action more pure. If my hand was slightly better or worse, I think I'd check.

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lead for $1300, fold to a raise.

unless you think hes very prone to 3-barrel here, then obv c/c again

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i can't see how anything but like 2/3-3/4 pot on the river would be correct... unless you somehow thought you could shove for value...

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leading this river seems pretty awful to me.

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leading this river seems pretty awful to me.

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interesting. why?

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Hero bets.

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good lord.. i like check calling the turn. this feels so freakin much like 222 but you said hes been trying to run you over, i think check call river since he'll surely barrel again if he doesnt have it. I guess he could check AK behind but i don't like leading here.

edit; i guess ak 3bets you PF.. all the more for checking the river imo,.

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i wouldnt mind a check. i agree with AE that leading river sucks. but then again im not good deep so take that fwiw.

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leading this river seems pretty awful to me.

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interesting. why?

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your hand looks like AK when you check the river, how can he NOT bet a worse two pair here? by the same token, if you lead you will get shoved on by hands that beat you and not get to a showdown (not that he's bluffing here enough), and he may even fold two pair to your lead, since you're bluffing 0% of the time and should be value betting a worse hand (a one pair hand) somewhere very close to 0% of the time.

now whether or not you should CR the river is close. imo it depends on whether or not this guy is going to be just calling the flop with the set. if you have any inclination that he would always raise a set on this flop, i can see Cr'ing the river.

if not cc and lead both get one bet in, but this way we always get to showdown.

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righto. hero checks, villain bets $3000. hero...?

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righto. hero checks,

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nice

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villain bets $3000. hero...?

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what a spot. i dont think you can fold it, from his perspective he could expect to push you off of your hand with your check call check.

god its gross.. i think i have to close my eyes and call

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Dudes got 222 or A6, thats all I can tell you.

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feels so damn much like 222. cant wait to see the results

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feels so damn much like 222. cant wait to see the results

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why

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because heros hand is underrepped i want to see if the guy overpotted the river to get him off his hand

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btw i think a fold is fine man, i think him overbetting with 222 is nuts and not necessarily good, so don't pay him off. some % of the time he'll say that you have AK and his A6 is cash money, but it's enough to call 1750, and not 3000, imo.

doods don't do this multi way bluff float crazy thing, esp as overbets imo

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that was my thought too. so i crapped my pants for a while and then called because im a station. KJ no good. then he told me for a while that i had been outplayed because i should have raised.

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that was my thought too. so i crapped my pants for a while and then called because im a station. KJ no good. then he told me for a while that i had been outplayed because i should have raised.

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where should you have raised?

fwiw, i think his play is kind of sick; a float with someone to act, two more barrels on a dry board where your hand looks strong, like AK or two pair- obv you're at the top of your range but still.. a sick bluff, and a good call apparently

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well nice pot xorbie. congrats

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then he told me for a while that i had been outplayed because i should have raised.

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yeah, because he calls a river CR with worse. okay.

nh

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that was my thought too. so i crapped my pants for a while and then called because im a station. KJ no good. then he told me for a while that i had been outplayed because i should have raised.

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lol

you played it fine.

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BTW

Eetcheezgoodson tilts like a mofo

i would def check call any bet on the river.

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that was my thought too. so i crapped my pants for a while and then called because im a station. KJ no good. then he told me for a while that i had been outplayed because i should have raised.

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where should you have raised?

fwiw, i think his play is kind of sick; a float with someone to act, two more barrels on a dry board where your hand looks strong, like AK or two pair- obv you're at the top of your range but still.. a sick bluff, and a good call apparently

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What do you think is bad about villains play?

Flop is obviously fine as raising is transparent on this board, turn is whatever but board is scary enough for a bet and flop call on a dry board looks strong. River can go either way, xorbie looks weak so a bet is fine but given turn call probably not worth it.

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vnh you are playing good

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KJ no good. then he told me for a while that i had been outplayed because i should have raised.

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I love it when this happens, it means good game selection.

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ya check/call check call is perfect especially with read.

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then he told me for a while that i had been outplayed because i should have raised.

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yeah, because he calls a river CR with worse. okay.

nh

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Agreed.

Also I think c-c is optimal vs this villain b/c 22 is the only legit holding he can have that we are behind, the fact that he's capable of running big bluffs makes them (proportionately) more likely since there are so few combinations of hands that beat us.

Surf