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Paul Thomson 04-12-2007 01:12 AM

NL200 -- Turn play -- flush + gut shot draw
 
I had played one other hand against Villain when he called me on two streets and I folded on the river with a weak top pair when all the draws came in.

Looking back I like a turn check-raise all-in. Do you agree?

What now given how it was played?

Poker Stars
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$1/$2 Blinds
5 Players
LegoPoker HH Converter

SB: $133.65
BB: $274.60
UTG: $202.10
<font color="black">Hero (CO): $214</font>
<font color="black">BTN: $187</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $8</font>, BTN calls $8, 2 folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($16) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $15</font>, BTN calls $15

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($46) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $30</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $80</font>, Hero?

schundler 04-12-2007 01:29 AM

Re: NL200 -- Turn play -- flush + gut shot draw
 
I definitely think leading the turn is not your best option.

I'm not sure whether I like c/c or c/r on turn though.


Do you have stats on villain?

sh0wtime 04-12-2007 01:37 AM

Re: NL200 -- Turn play -- flush + gut shot draw
 
Preflpo is meh. I'd just fold it on a loose table or if you're not sure how it's playing yet. Checking the turn is a most IMO and then calling or raising are both fine depending on a few things.

orange 04-12-2007 02:56 AM

Re: NL200 -- Turn play -- flush + gut shot draw
 
I think you played this hand fine so far. i think this becomes a pure math problem...villan has like $80 behind i think. i'm horrible at math/ranges/equity so i'll leave that for someone else.

if i were to continue, i would call and either c/f the river if nothing hits or open shove if i do get there.

i also dont really like a c/r as much, its okay sometimes, but i prefer double barreling here.

TwistedEcho 04-12-2007 08:32 AM

Re: NL200 -- Turn play -- flush + gut shot draw
 
I would fold now, but i play it the same as you did, nh. (sometimes i go for the spite turn call, but i think thats probably bad)

benlj21 04-12-2007 08:39 AM

Re: NL200 -- Turn play -- flush + gut shot draw
 
I think its a fold now. If villain is good, check-raise turn. If he is bad, bet-fold.

Novles 04-12-2007 09:30 AM

Re: NL200 -- Turn play -- flush + gut shot draw
 
I play the same and fold turn. Looks like you're barely getting the implied odds you need and sometimes he'll show up with a bigger flush or even a 9 if you hit your gutshot. And FWIW, I prefer using the stack-a-donk line with real hands the first time, then using it with bluffs/semibluffs after he's seen me do it with a real hand.


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