Optimal line w/ JJ
 

Villian is unknown but probably not good due to stack size
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<font color="#C00000">Button ($121.55)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($199.25)</font>
BB ($193.85)
UTG ($43.95)
MP ($79.35)
CO ($199)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $2, MP calls $2, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $30</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG folds, MP folds, Button calls $22.

Flop: ($66) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $14</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $98</font>

I really hated betting and getting shoved on cuz were pretty much pot commited so I though a c/rai might look fishy and get called by draws and smaller pairs, but I really dunno.

Re: Optimal line w/ JJ
 

I think this is a weak king or better more often than a flush draw, bluff, or a lower pair, so I would fold. You'll be folding the best hand sometimes- that's why I hate JJ. Depending on my mood, I will often just call with JJ when someone has position on me and raises like this- because I know I'll have to fold if villain is aggressive and there is an overcard on the board. *shrug* maybe I'm missing out on some EV, but I try to play them for set value only when I'm out of position and the pot's been open and raised. I'm sure everyone will call me a nit.

Re: Optimal line w/ JJ
 

I was hoping for a fold or push by him pf. I really didn't want him to call. I was planning on getting it in on most flops and those included most 1 overcard flops too.

Re: Optimal line w/ JJ
 

if you're willing to go with the hand, why not just c/c all the way down then? I think I'd rather that or open shove than c/r all in I think but I hate this spot too.

Re: Optimal line w/ JJ
 

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if you're willing to go with the hand, why not just c/c all the way down then? I think I'd rather that or open shove than c/r all in I think but I hate this spot too.

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I really don't want to see more overcards and just wanna get my $ in now. Just not sure of best line. You think openshove gets called lighter than c/raising?

Re: Optimal line w/ JJ
 

Seems like he calls an open shove lighter than he bets and calls yes.

meh, I dunno. I hate this spot.

Re: Optimal line w/ JJ
 

2 pieces of advice, 3 bet less preflop. about 26 because of stack sizes.

if the guy is cold calling 25% of his stack, hes gotta mean business. With that in mind.. proceed with great caution.

Just calling preflop isnt so bad either vs an unknown, easier to 3 bet jacks with position and you still have the UTG limper to worry about.

Re: Optimal line w/ JJ
 

I'm not sold on 3betting less. I'd think w/ a stack this size more is better cuz it makes postflop decisions easier OOP

Re: Optimal line w/ JJ
 

His small bet would convince me I'm good a fair % of the time here, I like how you played it. OTOH, he's gonna check behind a lot and a heart on the turn would put you in an even tougher spot.

What dyou think of a small stupid-looking bet to induce a shove?

Re: Optimal line w/ JJ
 

very good