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themobfather 11-27-2007 03:08 AM

(100NL) QQ in 3bet pot oop
 
Villian is like 16/12/inf over 90 hands. No other reads

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

SB: $101.55
BB: $105.50
Hero (UTG): $124.05
MP: $103.55
CO: $214.95
BTN: $120.95

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $4</font>, MP calls $4, <font color="red">CO raises to $17</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls $13, MP folds

Flop: ($39.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $28</font>, Hero?


Thoughts on pre? flop action?

jakeduke 11-27-2007 03:16 AM

Re: (100NL) QQ in 3bet pot oop
 
I'm ok with PF, and I'm shoving over his flop raise.

ofishstix 11-27-2007 03:22 AM

Re: (100NL) QQ in 3bet pot oop
 
pre is fine. 4betting to 55 is also fine. shoving too.

given preflop, this is a checkshove.

davidwrunner 11-27-2007 03:26 AM

Re: (100NL) QQ in 3bet pot oop
 
HAs he 3 bet before? If so i would have 4 bet preflop to try and calm his aggression a little.
As played u need to crai i think - if u are beat "nh sir"

The number of uber aggressive preflop players seems to be growing and I struggle with them especially oop.

manupod 11-27-2007 03:47 AM

Re: (100NL) QQ in 3bet pot oop
 
PF as people mentioned can be either but I tend to let it go to a safe flop a lot here and c/r this flop. Whether I c/r all-in or to $70 so he can shove depends on what is going to look fishier to him.

john voight 11-27-2007 03:52 AM

Re: (100NL) QQ in 3bet pot oop
 
what is a 16/12's 3b range here?

also are you guys shoving based solely on your QQ vs his range? Or is it somewhat based on his infinite AF and flop bet sizing?

manupod 11-27-2007 03:56 AM

Re: (100NL) QQ in 3bet pot oop
 
[ QUOTE ]
what is a 16/12's 3b range here?

also are you guys shoving based solely on your QQ vs his range? Or is it somewhat based on his infinite AF and flop bet sizing?

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Obviously his range is going to include AA/KK but also AQ/AK and weaker pairs, as the small difference between pfr and vpip says he's rr a lot of those (or suited connectors) and either way, we've got to get it in here.

early325 11-27-2007 04:51 AM

Re: (100NL) QQ in 3bet pot oop
 
minraise and call a shove

ciro bonano 11-27-2007 05:40 AM

Re: (100NL) QQ in 3bet pot oop
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
what is a 16/12's 3b range here?

also are you guys shoving based solely on your QQ vs his range? Or is it somewhat based on his infinite AF and flop bet sizing?

[/ QUOTE ]

Obviously his range is going to include AA/KK but also AQ/AK and weaker pairs, as the small difference between pfr and vpip says he's rr a lot of those (or suited connectors) and either way, we've got to get it in here.

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If he's only calling your push with AA/KK (and maybe AK) then he needs to 3bet a lot of other hands to make shoving +EV, right?

ciro bonano 11-27-2007 05:42 AM

Re: (100NL) QQ in 3bet pot oop
 
[ QUOTE ]
The number of uber aggressive preflop players seems to be growing and I struggle with them especially oop.

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This one is certainly not uber aggressive (or even aggressive) preflop, and the flop AF can easily be a fit/fold mentality (which usually would be 'fit' due to his low vpip/pfr)


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