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I apologize if this is a super basic hand. I play very little >5handed poker and mostly play hu. As such, my perception of ranges in certain spots is likely pretty effed.

No stats on villain. IMO hes an average 50/100 player probably a bit on the nitty side, but certainly capable of bluffs/moves. Im probably (correctly) viewed as a bad LAG. Ive been reasonably active so far and got stacked once when I called a pfr from the bb with 56dd, floated a Kd3c2c flop and check shoved a Ad turn (got called by AJos, different villain).

Hand (9-handed):

UTG (Villain) limps, co limps, sb completes, I check AKs.

Flop AA7cc

I lead 350, utg calls, all else fold

Turn Jo

I lead 1050, villain raises to 3100, I? (~8.5k behind).

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just such a bad spot for him to bluff, such a bad spot for you to turn up with air, you have such a bad image for him to get you to fold an ace. i might fold turn or call turn and fold rivers UI or something gay. seems like he can never be v-raising worse, such a boring type of board i guess.

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616 games 0.005 secs 123,200 games/sec

Board: Ac Ah 7c Js
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 46.104% 32.95% 13.15% 203 81.00 { AsKs }
Hand 1: 53.896% 40.75% 13.15% 251 81.00 { 77, AJs+, KcQc, AJo+ }

He probably has a few other hands in his range too. Just put it in.

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Is checking with AKs here preflop your standard play?

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Is checking with AKs here preflop your standard play?

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It wasnt, until someone better than me told me he checks most of the time in spots like that with ak and aq. Should it not be?

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I definately think you should be raising this preflop but as played I think it's too tough to get away from. Not sure if to shove now or call and bet like 3k on the river..

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i RR him a10 is his range and he did limp. he is not going to be limping 77 or AJ in a 6handed game.

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Is checking with AKs here preflop your standard play?

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It wasnt, until someone better than me told me he checks most of the time in spots like that with ak and aq. Should it not be?

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I like the check, FWIW. I'd probably push it in postflop, though...

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I reallllllllllly think you have 3-7 outs here.

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i RR him a10 is his range and he did limp. he is not going to be limping 77 or AJ in a 6handed game.

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wow this is arbitrary.

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I reallllllllllly think you have 3-7 outs here.

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It is impossible for him to have only 3 outs, DUCY?

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I reallllllllllly think you have 3-7 outs here.

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It is impossible for him to have only 3 outs, DUCY?

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uh... 3 outs ftw, it is possible.

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It's close. I think most people are always raising AK here and often AQ as well, so in his mind, those hands are usually discounted A LOT in your range. Raising seems bad. Maybe call/call?

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I reallllllllllly think you have 3-7 outs here.

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It is impossible for him to have only 3 outs, DUCY?

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uh... 3 outs ftw, it is possible.

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If he has AJ you have 3 kings and a 2 jacks for a chop. 5 outs. Am I missing something?

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I reallllllllllly think you have 3-7 outs here.

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It is impossible for him to have only 3 outs, DUCY?

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uh... 3 outs ftw, it is possible.

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If he has AJ you have 3 kings and a 2 jacks for a chop. 5 outs. Am I missing something?

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like i said... you have THREE outs for the win. Who counts chop outs as outs?

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wtf @ play FR if you can't raise AK [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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would you mind explaining how it could be 7 outs? thanks. perhaps i need to pick up small stakes hold'em again [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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would you mind explaining how it could be 7 outs? thanks. perhaps i need to pick up small stakes hold'em again [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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A + J J J + K K K vs 77

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I reallllllllllly think you have 3-7 outs here.

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It is impossible for him to have only 3 outs, DUCY?

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uh... 3 outs ftw, it is possible.

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If he has AJ you have 3 kings and a 2 jacks for a chop. 5 outs. Am I missing something?

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like i said... you have THREE outs for the win. Who counts chop outs as outs?

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If you chop, you both get to have that rush of money going in and not knowing if you are going to win or lose, and then you both get your money back. Both should count the chop as a win...when you gamble for fun, youve already won.

Oh and fold here unless villain is stupid. If he is playing Ax this way preflop, he is not going to be raising over reraises without being full against someone who was willing to put money in out of position against 18 people or whatever.

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i would not be checking preflop here. but i also wouldn't only be raising JJ-AA, AK/AQ out of the blinds.

even if i was, i would still blast it up preflop.

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i would not be checking preflop here. but i also wouldn't only be raising JJ-AA, AK/AQ out of the blinds.

even if i was, i would still blast it up preflop.

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there are players whose under the gun limp is strong enough that not raising here merits serious consideration. against most though, yah raising preflop is standard.

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i would not be checking preflop here. but i also wouldn't only be raising JJ-AA, AK/AQ out of the blinds.

even if i was, i would still blast it up preflop.

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there are players whose under the gun limp is strong enough that not raising here merits serious consideration. against most though, yah raising preflop is standard.

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ahh it's 9 handed eh good point

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i really dont mind a check preflop here. When you raise you are not pushing out pairs but instead hands like Ax and lower suited cards that could win you more value.

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i would not be checking preflop here. but i also wouldn't only be raising JJ-AA, AK/AQ out of the blinds.

even if i was, i would still blast it up preflop.

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there are players whose under the gun limp is strong enough that not raising here merits serious consideration. against most though, yah raising preflop is standard.

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ahh it's 9 handed eh good point

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yes, Jay, if it were HU like you thought - we would all be raising.

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when you gamble for fun, youve already won.


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Thanks for all the replies, I was pretty sure I effed this one up. I ended up tanking on the turn for a while, shoving it, and getting snap called by aj.

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Does being deep make you more or less inclined to raise this PF? I'm just trying tofigure why checking PF is better than raising.

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If he has AJ you have 3 kings and a 2 jacks for a chop. 5 outs. Am I missing something?

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You only count the jacks as 1 out since they're for 1/2 the pot. Poker 101.

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wtf @ checking preflop...

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616 games 0.005 secs 123,200 games/sec

Board: Ac Ah 7c Js
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 46.104% 32.95% 13.15% 203 81.00 { AsKs }
Hand 1: 53.896% 40.75% 13.15% 251 81.00 { 77, AJs+, KcQc, AJo+ }

He probably has a few other hands in his range too. Just put it in.

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Uh, I have to strongly disagree w/ this range. If hero as viewed as a bad lag - couldn't villain be raising the turn here w/ something as "weak" as A-9? Given images I think you have to stack off here.

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wtf @ checking preflop...


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checking preflop FTW

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Does being deep make you more or less inclined to raise this PF? I'm just trying tofigure why checking PF is better than raising.

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Less, since the majority of hands you'll want to be in post-flop are 1-pair hands OOP, or flush draws where you hold nfd and 2nd nfd, so it's harder to get deep action from 3rd nuts, and it's a more comfortable shove as a semi-bluff when you're more like 100BBs deep.

Also, nice that we have about 4 posts in this HSNL thread regarding reading the board. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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HOW DO YOU CHECK THIS PF AND EXPECT HIM NOT TO BE MOVIN WITH a10S HERE OR PURE BLFFN U.
IDK WHY U WOULD CHECK PF AND THEN SAY YOU FOLD HERE
AS PLAYED STACK AND REBUY URE PLAYING 50-100. BALLIN

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HOW DO YOU CHECK THIS PF AND EXPECT HIM NOT TO BE MOVIN WITH a10S HERE OR PURE BLFFN U.
IDK WHY U WOULD CHECK PF AND THEN SAY YOU FOLD HERE
AS PLAYED STACK AND REBUY URE PLAYING 50-100. BALLIN

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pls pls pls ban