TPTK in RR pot against a cold call.
 

pfr is 26/20 ish, cold caller is 44/17/0.7 over 75 hands, i havent seen him do much. I have 2 good players saying different things, so thought id make a poll.




Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $243.70
BB: $389.40
UTG: $402.00
MP: $409.40
CO: $481.60
US (BTN): $690.08

Preflop: US is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $16.00</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">US raises to $48.00</font>, SB folds, BB calls $44.00, MP folds

Flop: ($114) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">US bets $77.00</font>, BB calls $77.00

Turn: ($268) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, US checks

River: ($268) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets all-in for $264.40</font>, US??

Re: TPTK in RR pot against a cold call.
 

fold

Re: TPTK in RR pot against a cold call.
 

call. he's 44/17. Enough said I think. But, he could easily be cold calling A10 here or random crap like that. If this was MP, its a fold.

Re: TPTK in RR pot against a cold call.
 

I think the reason to fold is becasue he is 44/17/0.7, in my experience this guy has AA or KK a lot when he shoves the river.

But I can also see an argument for calling casue liek you said occasionally they show up with middle pair or JJ or something

Re: TPTK in RR pot against a cold call.
 

Well, hmm...He has .7 AF so there could be an argument for a fold but I call and make a note if he has AA or KK really.

Re: TPTK in RR pot against a cold call.
 

Meh, call. Don't really see many hands he can have that beat you.

Re: TPTK in RR pot against a cold call.
 

yeah i think it is close either way, and calling for info, may be the best move if you play this guy a lot or w/e.

I think it is fairly neutral EV to call

Re: TPTK in RR pot against a cold call.
 

Also I would check this flop pretty often i think unless I had seen him CC 3bets with a wide range.

Thers some players that play 44/17 that hardly ever CC 3bets and then there thopse guys that CC 3bets a lot alot. So i would just tryto classify him in one of those twop groups and act accordingly on the flop

Re: TPTK in RR pot against a cold call.
 

if you check this turn, then u call riv shove every time. thats how it works

Re: TPTK in RR pot against a cold call.
 

44/17 --&gt; call
0.7 --&gt; fold

I think the second point is more important, I have a very hard time seeing what he pushes on river apart from TT/QQ/KK/AA all very possible. We get bad odds and line looks very strong...

Re: TPTK in RR pot against a cold call.
 

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if you check this turn, then u call riv shove every time. thats how it works

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disagree, what is ge suddenly deciding to push the turn with that he called the flop? Not a whole lot of vb combos we beat, and as for bluffs, what could he have?

Re: TPTK in RR pot against a cold call.
 

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if you check this turn, then u call riv shove every time. thats how it works

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disagree, what is ge suddenly deciding to push the turn with that he called the flop? Not a whole lot of vb combos we beat, and as for bluffs, what could he have?

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Any 10x. Don't look into get into the mind of a donk. He could easily think he's value betting JJ or whatever. I agree with Colombo that once you check the Q turn, you have to c/c the river.

Re: TPTK in RR pot against a cold call.
 

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44/17 --&gt; call
0.7 --&gt; fold

I think the second point is more important, I have a very hard time seeing what he pushes on river apart from TT/QQ/KK/AA all very possible. We get bad odds and line looks very strong...

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this is true but given that the sample is small im weighting it more towards the 44/17 which makes it look like he's there to mix it up/capable of betting at weakness, plus he cc a three bet, which with those stats says donkified.

Re: TPTK in RR pot against a cold call.
 

I would call here

Re: TPTK in RR pot against a cold call.
 

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if you check this turn, then u call riv shove every time. thats how it works

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Against a competent decent somewhat thinking player i totally agree.

Against a complete donk, I totally disagree

Re: TPTK in RR pot against a cold call.
 

he's already defined his range as something with either weak showdown value or something that wants more money in the pot a lot of the time, and now he's shoving an overcard river, i doubt he's doing this with AK or JJ, just toss it.

Re: TPTK in RR pot against a cold call.
 

bump for a few more votes, thanks.

Re: TPTK in RR pot against a cold call.
 

i'd call.

why did you check the turn? i'd be overjoyed to get allin on the turn v this retard

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i'd call.

why did you check the turn? i'd be overjoyed to get allin on the turn v this retard

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the pf cold call kinda shook me up (although his stats were donkish I hadn't seen alot from him really), didnt really know what range to put him on, didnt think he was gonna call with too much worse.

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I think the reason to fold is becasue he is 44/17/0.7, in my experience this guy has AA or KK a lot when he shoves the river.

But I can also see an argument for calling casue liek you said occasionally they show up with middle pair or JJ or something

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Clearly a case for both sides. I have found the .7 to be a reliable tell and vote fold.