Turn Check
 

Villain's in these hands often peel loose, and generally peel any ace high hand.

FT 3/6

1)

Folded to Hero in the CO who opens with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], BB calls.

Flop: 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls

Turn: A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

BB checks, Hero checks

River: T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

BB bets, Hero calls


2)

Hero opens UTG with Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], only the SB calls

Flop: 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

SB checks and calls

Turn: A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

SB checks, Hero checks.

River 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

SB bets, Hero calls

Re: Turn Check
 

How passive is he?

In both hands i would prefer to put in a bet on the turn.

Unless he is super aggresive the first hand is an easy bet/fold for me.

The second is closer to a bet/call, on such a drawy board I would never check behind but bet/fold or bet/call depending on villain

Re: Turn Check
 

I think both are easy bets, both for value and draw-charging. I'd fold the second if checkraised, and probably calldown the first.

Re: Turn Check
 

In the first hand, I didn't see villain drawing to any more than 4 outs. That made it an easy decision for me to check behind and induce bluffs on the river. If I bet the turn in both hands, villain will fold all hands but those that beat me. If I show weakness by checking behind, he will very frequently bet the river with whatever he's got.

Re: Turn Check
 

I think hand 2 is an easy bet. I'm ok with checking hand 1, although in practice I probably stubbornly v-bet it and either get c/r'ed or fold out a worse hand... sigh.

Re: Turn Check
 

I bet the turn and if called, most rivers in both of these.

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If I bet the turn in both hands, villain will fold all hands but those that beat me.

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If this is true, which I doubt, then you'll pwn them when you bet air on these turns, and you need to bet your pair hands so they don't realize your turn bets are more FOS.

Re: Turn Check
 

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I bet the turn and if called, most rivers in both of these.



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Re: Turn Check
 

In the first hand he could easily have peeled with something like KT that you don't necessarily want to give a freebie too. Could have a worse jack or 56s which will usually call again so you have quite a bit of value IMO. I also agree with sharpie that I'm following up on ace turns so much to induce folds with nothing that checking behind good hands would do damage to this plan.

Re: Turn Check
 

i bet here too.
i use your line against opponement is ver agressif bluffer player but maybe i don t i don t know.

Re: Turn Check
 

Hand 1 - I would bet the turn against a passive, but I like checking behind against others on this board. I think this will induce a ton of bluffs from hands that are way behind or could have even been drawing dead on the turn.

Hand 2 - I bet this against anyone.