Just lamely giving up on AK...damned pain
 

Villain: 20/15/3/1500 hands. Very solid reg, surprised to see he is only just in the green over my sample on him. Definitely a thinking player.

Firstly, the table is full of fish and villain is the only opponent here I fear. Is there ever a case for just not bothering here at all? lol, probably not, but I said to myself afterward, "Why the hell tangle with the only decent player at the table??". Losing big pots to the only reg at the table in a non-nut situation is sinful IMO, so I am kinda torn on this question and it definitely influenced my post flop passivity.

Second, general comments on everything else please. I absolutely hate my line, but I just can't see a turn/river move that doesn't look like spew.

And yes, I considered calling river.


Thanks.

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saw flop | <font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Button ($51.00)
SB Hero ($50.25)
BB ($45.15)
UTG ($62.65)
UTG+1 <font color="#C00000">UTG+1 ($51.50)</font>

Preflop: Hero is in the SB with K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $1.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $6.75, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $5.25.

Flop (14.50) T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero bets $12.00, UTG+1 calls $12.00.

Turn (38.50) 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks.

River (38.50) 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $18.00, 1 fold

Re: Just lamely giving up on AK...damned pain
 

standard, you're not folding out whatever he has anyways

Re: Just lamely giving up on AK...damned pain
 

I suck in these spots, but I think I take this same line. I don't think you can get him to fold after the flop. You told him you were going to play for stacks and he called anyway. If he's a thinking opponent he's not doing that without a hand that he's willing to felt. It's a weird line, but obviously don't call the river best you're getting is a chop and that's probably unlikely. Weird spot though interested to hear what others think.

Re: Just lamely giving up on AK...damned pain
 

Standard, except why bet so much on the flop?

You could just c/f the flop as well, especially given your worries about playing a big pot vs the only other decent player

Re: Just lamely giving up on AK...damned pain
 

I'll c-bet about 90% of the flop I see, but this is one where I'll probably pass.

Re: Just lamely giving up on AK...damned pain
 

He most often has a pair here and from these most often TT-QQ, so you're probably beat like 90% of the time. Also if he's decent his $18 on the river looks like he's trying to sell you something, which you'd buy with an overpair UI.

Re: Just lamely giving up on AK...damned pain
 

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I'll c-bet about 90% of the flop I see, but this is one where I'll probably pass.

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hmm... after representing such a strong hand and getting a call I think you have to c-bet here always, because thats the line AA would take. If he calls, ok, you are beat. But you won't win the hand at showdown. I think he has QQ/JJ here alot (and yes, i might would fire another barrel on the turn sometimes).

I do not think he has any kind of a drawing hand.

Re: Just lamely giving up on AK...damned pain
 

Either FPS or your read is off.

You don't think that a thinking player would cold call suited connectors in UTG, call pot on the flop and bluff on the river, do you? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: Just lamely giving up on AK...damned pain
 

yeah standard this is always QQ JJ or maybe 99
i prob dont c-bet but dont hate it.

Re: Just lamely giving up on AK...damned pain
 

i'm checking this flop most of the time, and not just becaue he called your cbet. if he checks behind, then i'll bet any turn.