Re: QQ hand folded face up beginning of WSOP FT
 

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lol.

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Re: QQ hand folded face up beginning of WSOP FT
 

Put a % on each possible holding

Convince me this fold was correct.

You can weight KK and AA at 2x that of JJ and TT and thit is still very easily a call.

Essentially, you need to be pretty damn confident Yang has KK or AA here. You are telling me Yang has KK or AA 70% of the time here? I seriously doubt it.

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BTW, when I read "you can't think in terms of ranges here", I think "so we aren't playing poker here?"

When I play poker, I am ALWAYS thinking in terms of ranges. I thought that was the object of the frigging game - to narrow your opponent's RANGE of possible holdings based on the information he has given you.

Re: QQ hand folded face up beginning of WSOP FT
 

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Put a % on each possible holding

Convince me this fold was correct.

You can weight KK and AA at 2x that of JJ and TT and thit is still very easily a call.

Essentially, you need to be pretty damn confident Yang has KK or AA here. You are telling me Yang has KK or AA 70% of the time here? I seriously doubt it.

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Do you think the preflop re-raise rules out a set?

Re: QQ hand folded face up beginning of WSOP FT
 

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BTW, when I read "you can't think in terms of ranges here", I think "so we aren't playing poker here?"

When I play poker, I am ALWAYS thinking in terms of ranges. I thought that was the object of the frigging game - to narrow your opponent's RANGE of possible holdings based on the information he has given you.

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Well, you think incorrectly. You can't look it as a range like in Poker Stove. Yang can have TT, but he doesn't have TT nearly as often as AA. I think the distribution looks something like this:

AA/KK 40%
AK 30%
99-QQ 20%
??? 10%

Re: QQ hand folded face up beginning of WSOP FT
 

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BTW, when I read "you can't think in terms of ranges here", I think "so we aren't playing poker here?"

When I play poker, I am ALWAYS thinking in terms of ranges. I thought that was the object of the frigging game - to narrow your opponent's RANGE of possible holdings based on the information he has given you.

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Well, you think incorrectly. You can't look it as a range like in Poker Stove. Yang can have TT, but he doesn't have TT nearly as often as AA. I think the distribution looks something like this:

AA/KK 40%
AK 30%
99-QQ 20%
??? 10%

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Betgo, I really do not think AA/KK is twice as likely as TT-QQ. Didn't he put like 10 million in preflop with A9 earlier at the FT?

Re: QQ hand folded face up beginning of WSOP FT
 

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BTW, when I read "you can't think in terms of ranges here", I think "so we aren't playing poker here?"

When I play poker, I am ALWAYS thinking in terms of ranges. I thought that was the object of the frigging game - to narrow your opponent's RANGE of possible holdings based on the information he has given you.

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Well, you think incorrectly. You can't look it as a range like in Poker Stove. Yang can have TT, but he doesn't have TT nearly as often as AA. I think the distribution looks something like this:

AA/KK 40%
AK 30%
99-QQ 20%
??? 10%

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No I do not think incorrectly. I said put a % on them. Putting a percentage on what he may hold IS narrowing the range.

With those percentages, it is so easily a call it's not even funny.

Re: QQ hand folded face up beginning of WSOP FT
 

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BTW, when I read "you can't think in terms of ranges here", I think "so we aren't playing poker here?"

When I play poker, I am ALWAYS thinking in terms of ranges. I thought that was the object of the frigging game - to narrow your opponent's RANGE of possible holdings based on the information he has given you.

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Well, you think incorrectly. You can't look it as a range like in Poker Stove. Yang can have TT, but he doesn't have TT nearly as often as AA. I think the distribution looks something like this:

AA/KK 40%
AK 30%
99-QQ 20%
??? 10%

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Betgo, I really do not think AA/KK is twice as likely as TT-QQ. Didn't he put like 10 million in preflop with A9 earlier at the FT?

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I think my distribution is fairly reasonable. People tend to flat call an early position raise with JJ/TT. He could flat call with AA/KK too, but he is more liekly to reraise. Yang could also have AQ, a suited gapper or whatever. I said 40% chance he has AA/KK. I think this is conservative. Against a tight player it would be a lot higher.

Given the opponent, I think you have to reraise allin preflop or checkraise allin on the flop. However, it would be a mistake to put people on ranges and assume QQ was usually good in this situation.

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However, it would be a mistake to put people on ranges and assume QQ was usually good in this situation.

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No it would be a mistake to say "OMG RERAISE FROM MID POSITION OMG KK OR AA OMG FOLD"

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On a scale of horribleness this flop bet is approximately 300 million.