4betting AK hu and getting shoved on
 

This [censored] keeps happening, my opp is a spewy 3bettor and I have thus far been getting the best of him. This situation keeps coming up for me in HU. Sorry for posting in MSNL but I think this is a little more complicated. I guess he has like 88 or Jx here, but like wtf do I do against players that do this [censored]? FWIW i std call big pairs against this types of players b/c I give them a chance to like make a weak TP and stackoff and I also get to take their cbet. FWIW this is one of the first 4bets I've made, he 4b me a few times early on in the match and we got it in early with my JJ vrs his A7s (he 4b). How do I adjust, is it super std 4b/get it in and if he calls just fold this situation? What if he checks, do I shove? Should I start calling AK?

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 2 Players
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Hero (SB): $753.35
BB: $212.50

Pre-Flop: Khttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $6</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $23</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $66</font>, BB calls $43

Flop: ($132) Jhttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $146.50 and is All-In</font>

Results: $132 Pot ($132 Rake)

Re: 4betting AK hu and getting shoved on
 

against a lot of people just calling AK to a reraise is by far the best play.

dont let them fold AJ/AQ by telling them you have AK!

Re: 4betting AK hu and getting shoved on
 

now, idk, sometimes call sometimes fold.

hes gonna show you 44 or something tho

Re: 4betting AK hu and getting shoved on
 

if (we call) he cbets here with the description and knowledge that he def shows up light here often do you shove flop ?

Re: 4betting AK hu and getting shoved on
 

hu is sooo game-flow dependant that its hard to say.

but shoving, calling and folding can all be correct at different points of the match, against the same player.

Its just really tough to discuss HU situations without being in the match.

Re: 4betting AK hu and getting shoved on
 

I doubt you have to odds to call here generally.

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FWIW i std call big pairs against this types of players b/c I give them a chance to like make a weak TP and stackoff and I also get to take their cbet.

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Obviously you should play the player but as a general rule I can't see raising your drawing hands but not your made hands being correct. For instance if they cop on that you always have AQ/AK here then you should expect to see more of this.

Re: 4betting AK hu and getting shoved on
 

don't call, i think

Re: 4betting AK hu and getting shoved on
 

My standard is to call here if the match has been at all aggressive. You need what, like 30% equity?

Re: 4betting AK hu and getting shoved on
 

yeah im probably never calling here ever, its just this is a point where I'm lost and I want to avoid it (I think?). Is this just optimal, and this is one situation where I just lose the hand?

Paster, I definitely think he has a pair here, I want to elaborate on what exactly the flow of the match is. He started out 3betting alot (first hand), and kept going after me. I finally 4b him, he shoved and a7s and i got it in with jj and held. He got stacked on other other hand where he misplayed it and got it in badly but I forget the action, it was a hand that was played after the flop. Since then he got one stack back on me but at this point in the match I regained control and was beating him up, I was in his head and outplaying him on most streets. hope this helps.

Anyway, like I said this is the first or 2nd 4b I have made, and preflop I had been on the quite/inline side as of the last 35-60 hands or so. Its definitely a vbet on the healthly "plus" EV side. Although you recomended calling as well, which in retrospect I like but seeing as how even though not recently, my opponent tended to get it in lighter than most I thought it would be wise to go with it preflop esp with stacksizes.

Basically I'm not concerned with postflop action here, Its a clear fold we don't have the equity vrs any range you can put this guy on to call, my biggest question is how to I avoid/deal with these spots as they have came up like 5 times in the last 4-5 days or like 6k ish hands.

Re: 4betting AK hu and getting shoved on
 

instacall