$650 WSOP sat, turn buttom set, but unraised pot 53 rly?
 

PokerStars Game #10115680227: Tournament #50640310, $615+$35 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/05/26 - 15:27:32 (ET)
Table '50640310 3' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: RandALLin (2090 in chips)
Seat 2: micmike30 (2190 in chips)
Seat 3: uminnesota (1780 in chips)
Seat 4: tann (2575 in chips)
Seat 5: clarky31 (3735 in chips)
Seat 6: simmsux (2850 in chips)
Seat 7: Blueman24 (2760 in chips)
Seat 8: seaanchor (3065 in chips)
Seat 9: donbrennan (2305 in chips)
seaanchor: posts small blind 15
donbrennan: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RandALLin [2d 2s]
RandALLin: calls 30
micmike30: folds
uminnesota: folds
tann: folds
clarky31: folds
simmsux: folds
Blueman24: folds
seaanchor: calls 15
donbrennan: checks
*** FLOP *** [6h Jd 4h]
seaanchor: checks
donbrennan: checks
RandALLin: checks
*** TURN *** [6h Jd 4h] [2c]
seaanchor: checks
donbrennan: bets 90
RandALLin: raises 210 to 300
seaanchor: folds
donbrennan: raises 600 to 900
RandALLin:

Re: $650 WSOP sat, turn buttom set, but unraised pot 53 rly?
 

i think there's enough 2 pair combos that you need to just stick it in and hope for the best.

Re: $650 WSOP sat, turn buttom set, but unraised pot 53 rly?
 

sick sick spot, which is why this got like no responses. I'm still trying to decide if the fact that you limped utg makes it more likely for him to reraise 2 pairs instead of just calling them, or less likely. Also, given you have 2 2's and he checked flop 2pr is even more less likely. If there were 2 possible str8s I'd def fold, but I guess I just can't see getting away from this in game even though it seems like you're beat a helluva lot. ugh

Re: $650 WSOP sat, turn buttom set, but unraised pot 53 rly?
 

marginal spot, but as lucky said stick it in and hope for the best.

Re: $650 WSOP sat, turn buttom set, but unraised pot 53 rly?
 

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sick sick spot, which is why this got like no responses. I'm still trying to decide if the fact that you limped utg makes it more likely for him to reraise 2 pairs instead of just calling them, or less likely. Also, given you have 2 2's and he checked flop 2pr is even more less likely. If there were 2 possible str8s I'd def fold, but I guess I just can't see getting away from this in game even though it seems like you're beat a helluva lot. ugh

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I wasn't sure what I thought until I read this.

Re: $650 WSOP sat, turn buttom set, but unraised pot 53 rly?
 

I think he has jacks up a lot more than a straight here.

Re: $650 WSOP sat, turn buttom set, but unraised pot 53 rly?
 

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I think he has jacks up a lot more than a straight here.

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Isn't jacks-up (or really any top-pair Jx hand) betting on the flop given the multiple opponents + coordinated board/flush possibilities? I just can't see someone with 2-pair checking this flop given the potential danger. Then again, the $650 WSOP on Stars isn't a top-flight field, so I can consider that the villain ignored the texture of the flop here and gave away a free card trying to get tricky with 2 pair. So I really can't see myself folding in this spot.

Still, I'd expect to see 53 turned over an awful lot here. If I had any kind of read that the villain was thoughtful and paying attention to things like the contour of the flop then I'd give more consideration to folding under the assumption he wouldn't slowplay two-pair or AJ/KJ/QJ/JT here; and unless he's a total donk, I can't see him sticking in a re-raise here with the naked Jack hands, meaning jacks-up is really the only hand we can put him on that we beat.

Re: $650 WSOP sat, turn buttom set, but unraised pot 53 rly?
 

does he really lead 3bet 90 to 900 in a 650 wsop SATELITE where this is 0% chance bluff, so either he is turning 2 pair into a bluff or we should fold. I folded, I don't know if he had 53 but in a satelite it's way more important to stay in the touranment than get all in in what appears to be at this point, a marginal spot.

Re: $650 WSOP sat, turn buttom set, but unraised pot 53 rly?
 

nice fold imo

Re: $650 WSOP sat, turn buttom set, but unraised pot 53 rly?
 

Any reads? Anyways i think random people can have a random two pair enough for this to be a call/shove, and after looking up that this guy was down over 18k thru 83 tourneys on stars, im never folding here. (obv you didnt have that info, but just a thought)