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WantToLearn 11-22-2007 08:59 AM

NL25 JJ overpair oop, turn brings Q
 
Ok, some more advice needed, thank you!

<u>Reads:</u> villain is almost unknown, I sat down like 3 orbits before or so, itīs enough to say heīs not a complete nit and he didnīt come to gamble badly, apart from that i canīt say yet.

<u>Question:</u> Turn play. He only has ~pot sized bet behind. What do we do now?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 ($16.45)
MP2 ($13.60)
CO ($25.25)
Button ($28.35)
SB ($18.55)
BB ($20)
UTG ($26.85)
Hero ($26.55)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls $1, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls $0.90, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($3.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3.1</font>, MP2 calls $3.10, SB folds.

Turn: ($9.45) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
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livestream 11-22-2007 09:02 AM

Re: NL25 JJ overpair oop, turn brings Q
 
check turn, every river cards sucks! mmhh not Jacks :-)

marginal spot.

AllTheCheese 11-22-2007 09:02 AM

Re: NL25 JJ overpair oop, turn brings Q
 
EDIT: arr-een.

JH1 11-22-2007 01:25 PM

Re: NL25 JJ overpair oop, turn brings Q
 
I think I'd just jam the turn. If he flopped a straight then so be it, but I think a draw is MUCH more likely and I would hope that a set would raise that flop. If he doesn't have the straight or a weird QQ+ he's got to fold right? He might not be very good judging by stacks and you might get some random 88-TT to call as well so it probably is still pretty marginal. If he's bad he might have called the flop bet with any 8x or something like that. But I only like exactly 1 river card so I'd like to take it down now. Tough spot.

F1shRapeMe 11-22-2007 01:31 PM

Re: NL25 JJ overpair oop, turn brings Q
 
get it all in. his most likely holding is 8x possibly 78. either way you are most likely ahead but lots of river cards will kill the action. the queen is actually a safe card for you as it is likely it did not hit his hand. so if you think your good on the flop you are good on the turn with one card to come

ship_it_trebek 11-22-2007 02:05 PM

Re: NL25 JJ overpair oop, turn brings Q
 
Having 50BB stack probably means he's not too competent. You'll get looked up by a large range of hands that you beat if you shove here, so naturally I shove.

RapidEvolution 11-22-2007 02:24 PM

Re: NL25 JJ overpair oop, turn brings Q
 
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Having 50BB stack probably means he's not too competent. You'll get looked up by a large range of hands that you beat if you shove here, so naturally I shove.

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+1

shooot@04 11-22-2007 02:33 PM

Re: NL25 JJ overpair oop, turn brings Q
 
def. shove here, bad luck if he has a str8

livestream 11-22-2007 02:44 PM

Re: NL25 JJ overpair oop, turn brings Q
 
i learned something....

WantToLearn 11-22-2007 05:25 PM

Re: NL25 JJ overpair oop, turn brings Q
 
I agree to this:

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Having 50BB stack probably means he's not too competent.

[/ QUOTE ]

And therefor I disagree to this:

[ QUOTE ]
the queen is actually a safe card for you as it is likely it did not hit his hand.

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Calling preflop w/ AQ and KQ is probably not a very good play, but itīs nothing unheard of. Calling a c-bet w/ two overs isnīt that strange either.

I guess shoving is right anyway.


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