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frankpark9 11-21-2007 12:26 AM

200NL; Folding KK here?
 
Villian is super tight and is running at 14/9/3 over a big sample. what do u guys think of this? i see AA here almost 90% here.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Party Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Hero ($216.30)
BB ($201)
UTG ($385.90)
MP ($268.80)
CO ($321.90)
Button ($40)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $6</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $21</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $49</font>, MP folds, CO folds, Hero calls $29.

Flop: ($108) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks.

Turn: ($108) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $50</font>, BB calls $50.

River: ($208) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB calls $199 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $407

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB doesn't show.
Outcome: BB wins $407. </font>

w_alloy 11-21-2007 12:49 AM

Re: 200NL; Folding KK here?
 
I think you played the hand fine against this type of player except your turn bet size.

I would fold the river.

early325 11-21-2007 12:58 AM

Re: 200NL; Folding KK here?
 
bet more on the turn

river is close, but i fold.

Xanta 11-21-2007 01:00 AM

Re: 200NL; Folding KK here?
 
I think converter screwed up stack sizes, can you correct them?

Don Key E37 11-21-2007 01:03 AM

Re: 200NL; Folding KK here?
 
What do you run? What do you think villian thinks of you. I would've bet flop and got it in wherever I could with my image because I'm getting called by a lot worse here but if your a nit MABYE i can see folding this. Listen I think trying to get away from KK vs AA is the biggest waste of time ever that players bother thinking about. It happens rarely and even when ur wrong ur only a 4 to 1 dog so I pretty much never fold it for 1 buy in. I could understand if u were deep against a nit but for 1 buy in just get it in. I cant believe i typed this long of a response but yeah its 1/2 u have kk get it in when u can. gl

paiz 11-21-2007 01:10 AM

Re: 200NL; Folding KK here?
 
Ugh I hate this. A 4-bet from an opponent like this is almost surely AA right? So I agree with the call pf but does that mean we just check-fold all non-K flops? I think playing KK like this is waaaay too weak but at the same time a 14/9 doesn't usually show up 4-betting AK or QQ.

I agree with the river fold but given villian's stats I don't ever think we can put him on an 8.

sightless 11-21-2007 01:19 AM

Re: 200NL; Folding KK here?
 
easy shove on river imo
and bet more on turn

Al_Money 11-21-2007 01:20 AM

Re: 200NL; Folding KK here?
 
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easy shove on river imo

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you are ahead of exactly one hand, that almost definitely does not take this line.

paiz 11-21-2007 01:21 AM

Re: 200NL; Folding KK here?
 
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easy shove on river imo
and bet more on turn

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Could you explain how this is an easy shove?

sightless 11-21-2007 01:22 AM

Re: 200NL; Folding KK here?
 
[ QUOTE ]
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easy shove on river imo

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you are ahead of exactly one hand, that almost definitely does not take this line.

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why bet turn then?

i dont know
I just see us having him beat more often when he calls our all in, than when we call his
i could be way off


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