AA vs. Andy McLeod
 

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In the 100r. I usually 3bet AA, but I've seen AndyMcleod bluff his stack off too many times.

PokerStars Game #12966807877: Tournament #65234085, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (600/1200) - 2007/10/31 - 22:58:39 (ET)
Table '65234085 13' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Paolo69 (23700 in chips)
Seat 2: exposabre (21028 in chips)
Seat 3: maximilian74 (6875 in chips)
Seat 4: haydarakkaya (30922 in chips)
Seat 5: Andy McLEOD (39930 in chips)
Seat 7: hoodini10 (43673 in chips)
Seat 8: MR PANIK X (32005 in chips)
Seat 9: eBo226 (39694 in chips)
Paolo69: posts the ante 125
exposabre: posts the ante 125
maximilian74: posts the ante 125
haydarakkaya: posts the ante 125
Andy McLEOD: posts the ante 125
hoodini10: posts the ante 125
MR PANIK X: posts the ante 125
eBo226: posts the ante 125
exposabre: posts small blind 600
maximilian74: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to eBo226 [As Ah]
haydarakkaya: folds
Andy McLEOD: raises 2005 to 3205
hoodini10: folds
MR PANIK X: folds
eBo226: calls 3205
Paolo69: folds
exposabre: folds
maximilian74: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qd 3d 4c]
Andy McLEOD: checks
eBo226: bets 6000
Andy McLEOD: calls 6000
*** TURN *** [Qd 3d 4c] [7s]
Jimflow is connected
Andy McLEOD: checks
eBo226: checks
*** RIVER *** [Qd 3d 4c 7s] [9s]
Andy McLEOD: bets 12200
eBo226: calls 12200

What do you think?

Re: AA vs. Andy McLeod
 

I like it.

Re: AA vs. Andy McLeod
 

3bet pf he 4bets soo much or flat calls and shoves flop.

Re: AA vs. Andy McLeod
 

is it really bad if you value shove here. the shove looks like a missed flush draw trying to buy the pot andy could be inclined to call down lightly with queens

Edit: Value shove river

Re: AA vs. Andy McLeod
 

the flat call preflop not optimal vs a player of andy's caliber/ spewiness, however, as played, really think the turn checks great, but andy may not be bluffing here because it appears to be such an obv spot that THE andy mcled would be bluffng

Re: AA vs. Andy McLeod
 

i like betting the turn or 3 betting preflop

Re: AA vs. Andy McLeod
 

PF can really go either way. I like calling a little more if he was a few positions back to increase the chances of somebody squeezing but calling is defiantly fine. My standard line when he raises UTG+1 is to 3bet though.

I like the rest of the line a lot.

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I think reraise pre has to be better but calling isn't too bad. As played i don't understand why we aren't trying to get all the chips in.

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I think reraise pre has to be better but calling isn't too bad. As played i don't understand why we aren't trying to get all the chips in.

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i agree with this, why call the river? your hand is so concealed...but i like 3 bet PF

Re: AA vs. Andy McLeod
 

Lets be results-oriented: He had KQs

Obv, he would've folded if I 3bet PF
I think he would've folded if I bet the turn
I don't know what he would do if I raised river.

Also, I think his "value" bet on the river is a mistake. I'm never calling with worse. He's better off letting me bluff.

Re: AA vs. Andy McLeod
 

i dont think he would have folded the turn.

And your never calling the river with JJ or TT? I would against Andy.

Re: AA vs. Andy McLeod
 

i think this is pretty bad

Re: AA vs. Andy McLeod
 

bet turn plz

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I really hate this vs Andy Mcleod

I'd 3b preflop and expect him to get out of line almost every time
I'd bet the turn
I'd tank and shove the river for value vs him

Re: AA vs. Andy McLeod
 

Really looks like you missed a lot of value on all streets except possibly flop.

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Re: AA vs. Andy McLeod
 

I think you played the hand fine, calling PF gives you a chance to stack him if he hits top pair on certain flops.

I would try to get it in on the flop CR him, hes certainly betting TP here.

Re: AA vs. Andy McLeod
 

i think this hand is terrible. villain is spewy/stationy/crazy, you have AA and you played it in literally the most passive way possible on every street besides (good job on this one!) actually betting the flop.

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i think this hand is terrible. villain is spewy/stationy/crazy, you have AA and you played it in literally the most passive way possible on every street besides (good job on this one!) actually betting the flop.

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Perhaps. I didn't think he was stationy/spewy, but just superoveragressive. Are you telling me that he would've somehow continued with his KQs if I 3bet PF?

If so, then yeah I made a huge mistake.
If he's so spewy/stationy, then why does he have such good results?

Re: AA vs. Andy McLeod
 

With 6k in the middle and 40k in chips, I wouldn't be tricky preflop.

Except I just noticed that the BB is very short stacked, and a push by the BB (or a stop and go by the BB) would be a great outcome for you.

Re: AA vs. Andy McLeod
 

if you choose to play it like this, i cant imagine NOT shoving the river for value.

Or bet the turn again.

Or reraise PF.

Re: AA vs. Andy McLeod
 

I confess that when I looked at the title to this thread I thought "call" - assuming that we were facing some sort of marginal decision to call down light.

As is AA is the nuts here, and IF we allow ourselves to get to the river like this I think you should shove. There is only another 18k to go in so it becomes very difficult for him to find the discipline to bet fold one pair.

But I think betting 10k on the turn would have been soooo much better. lol fist pump calling his turn check shove would have been so sweet.

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If he's so spewy/stationy, then why does he have such good results?

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lol donkaments.

Re: AA vs. Andy McLeod
 

This hand is like if it were raining hundred dollar bills, and instead of grabbing the biggest possible net/every container possible, you grab one, put it in your pocket, and go inside.

Re: AA vs. Andy McLeod
 

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This hand is like if it were raining hundred dollar bills, and instead of grabbing the biggest possible net/every container possible, you grab one, put it in your pocket, and go inside.

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lol awesome

Re: AA vs. Andy McLeod
 

Ebo,
His value bet on the river isn't a mistake, its not thin at all its super standard becasue he has the bets hand like 99% of the time here.

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Wow if you're going to flat preflop, good god put some money in postflop.

Like, bet the turn for starters. He isn't playing KQ like this to check/fold, he wants to induce a bluff, so oblige him and keep betting.

The river is a pretty easy shove given the way you played this. And no his river bet does not suck, but your turn check sure as [censored] does.

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I actually prefer flatting preflop with AA here with these stacks, plus there are 2 stacks directly behind you that have perfect squeezing stacks

I like your line the whole way but I would shove the river, i think this is like an automatic push given that the flush draw missed and his line

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Wow if you're going to flat preflop, good god put some money in postflop.

Like, bet the turn for starters. He isn't playing KQ like this to check/fold, he wants to induce a bluff, so oblige him and keep betting.

The river is a pretty easy shove given the way you played this. And no his river bet does not suck, but your turn check sure as [censored] does.

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Wow if you're going to flat preflop, good god put some money in postflop.

Like, bet the turn for starters. He isn't playing KQ like this to check/fold, he wants to induce a bluff, so oblige him and keep betting.

The river is a pretty easy shove given the way you played this. And no his river bet does not suck, but your turn check sure as [censored] does.

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yeah agree w/ all of this. Can't believe you think his river bet is bad. you must be pretty easy to bluff...

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This hand is like if it were raining hundred dollar bills, and instead of grabbing the biggest possible net/every container possible, you grab one, put it in your pocket, and go inside.

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Re: AA vs. Andy McLeod
 

roflmfao, POTY.

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This hand is like if it were raining hundred dollar bills, and instead of grabbing the biggest possible net/every container possible, you grab one, put it in your pocket, and go inside.

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Re: AA vs. Andy McLeod
 

rr pf

bet turn

shove riv

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if you choose to play it like this, i cant imagine NOT shoving the river for value.

Or bet the turn again.

Or reraise PF.

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QFT
Flatting preflop isn't bad, but if you do you need to get more than two bets in.

Re: AA vs. Andy McLeod
 

flatting IS bad against opp, everything here is gah

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i don't think so, espec op who is pretty tight in general.

Re: AA vs. Andy McLeod
 

I'm okay with the flat pre, but for god sakes bet turn and try to get it in.

Edit: Also, i think you need to loosen up your playing style if Andy C/f's this turn to you.