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frogstomp 10-19-2007 05:37 AM

mice degens?
 
From Traheho's blog:

" Scientists were testing mice to see their behavior in certain situations. They locked the mice in cages and gave them two buttons. The Red button would give them some sort of pleasure (say vicodin or morphine for mice) 100% of the time they pushed it. On the other hand the Blue button would give them the same dose of the same drug but only 50% of the time. The other 50% they would get an electrical shock. The obvious logic would be after 5 or 10 pushes, one would push the Red button to get high all the time rather than risk getting the shock. To my surprise, this is not what happened. They found that the mouse was NINE times more likely to push the Blue button. (Now if your conclusion for why this happened was because mice like blue more than red then….. well your a moron) The reasoning for this was because they liked not knowing the outcome of a given situation. It was the closest thing to gambling they could get. They wanted the risk of getting the drugs, but also the shock."

wow if this is true. anyone have a anymore info or a link on this experimentt?

Corpsebean 10-19-2007 07:17 AM

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(Now if your conclusion for why this happened was because mice like blue more than red then….. well your a moron)

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Sweet.

xxThe_Lebowskixx 10-19-2007 07:24 AM

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it doesnt explain how they arrived to that conclusion.

sapol 10-19-2007 07:31 AM

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it doesnt explain how they arrived to that conclusion.

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Scientists were degens like us and thought "[censored] it, they gotta love to gabol, who doesn't? Write down results: gamblin' mice"

WhoIam 10-19-2007 07:55 AM

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Experiment is flawed. Nobody on morphine would give a [censored] about electric shocks.

BF Skinner did an experiment where he showed that pidgeons develop superstitious behavior when rewarded at random.

AvivaSimplex 10-19-2007 12:28 PM

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There must be more to the experiment. Mice wouldn't choose 50/50 shock/drug if the alternative of 100/drug were available.

solids 10-19-2007 01:04 PM

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It sounds like this experiment was conducted by a top scientist at a respected and prestigious university, imo.

xorbie 10-19-2007 01:20 PM

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There must be more to the experiment. Mice wouldn't choose 50/50 shock/drug if the alternative of 100/drug were available.

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Says who?

CommanderCorm 10-19-2007 01:26 PM

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Seems to me that mice like blue more than red.

Zameus 10-19-2007 02:26 PM

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Maybe it was hard for the mice to remember what button did what. You know, cause of all the morphine and electric shocks.

Besides, mice are color blind aren't they?


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