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EC10 10-28-2007 04:09 PM

10/20 hu river facing 2x pot bet
 
clownshoes bets pot as a cbet most of the time in both normal and RR pots, checks turn a fair amount. this is the first overbet of the match i think.

Full Tilt Poker, $10/$20 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 2 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BB: $3,874.50
Hero (SB): $3,487.50

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $60</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $180</font>, Hero calls $120

Flop: ($360) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $360</font>, Hero calls $360

Turn: ($1,080) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($1,080) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $2,020</font>

FoxwoodsFiend 10-28-2007 04:12 PM

Re: 10/20 hu river facing 2x pot bet
 
seems like easy fold, this is AA, 88, 22, 33, 77 or 45 100% of the time. A8 too.

Kazuya 10-28-2007 04:14 PM

Re: 10/20 hu river facing 2x pot bet
 
maybe im a fish but i call.
he might be out leveling me, but basically there should be no "real" hand you could have here.. Theoretically the best possible hand you "should" have here is a rivered 2pr (A7)

that and the fact its 2 PAIR. i dunno about you but it's pretty dam hard to get 2 PAIR, let alone lose with it.. I wouldnt be surprised to see some awkwardly played AK/total bluff

Given I called, (and say i lost) i'd be more inclined to fold in the future.. I am just starting to get into HU, but i dont mind the image of a station at the beginning of a match.

KRANTZ 10-28-2007 04:14 PM

Re: 10/20 hu river facing 2x pot bet
 
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seems like easy fold, this is AA, 88, 22, 33, 77 or 45 100% of the time. A8 too.

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i think this might be a call tho: think he's turning KK into a bluff here hoping you'll fold A2.

Lefort 10-28-2007 04:17 PM

Re: 10/20 hu river facing 2x pot bet
 
His range is so polarized that your hand is nothing but a bluffcatcher... do whatever you would do with 99...

EC10 10-28-2007 04:18 PM

Re: 10/20 hu river facing 2x pot bet
 
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seems like easy fold, this is AA, 88, 22, 33, 77 or 45 100% of the time. A8 too.

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i think this might be a call tho: think he's turning KK into a bluff here hoping you'll fold A2.

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krantz are you joking or serious? seriously

EC10 10-28-2007 04:18 PM

Re: 10/20 hu river facing 2x pot bet
 
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His range is so polarized that your hand is nothing but a bluffcatcher... do whatever you would do with 99...

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no i dont think our hand = 99 here at all

i think people just love to say "polarized" when analyzing hand ranges

KRANTZ 10-28-2007 04:20 PM

Re: 10/20 hu river facing 2x pot bet
 
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seems like easy fold, this is AA, 88, 22, 33, 77 or 45 100% of the time. A8 too.

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i think this might be a call tho: think he's turning KK into a bluff here hoping you'll fold A2.

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krantz are you joking or serious? seriously

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seriously joking

i would strongly consider shoving here and never ever ever fold

Kazuya 10-28-2007 04:21 PM

Re: 10/20 hu river facing 2x pot bet
 
Just wanted to add, i Dont think your hand is like 99 Here

When i play people who can read hands well, i'd sometimes make this bet with something like AQ JUST because some people will think my range is so polarized(nuts or nothing), or that they'd think id valuebet something smaller with AQ, against certain people i do expect to get looked up lighter (like 99 haha)

also another reason for making an overbet like this is it freezes people up
like this post, some people are saying FOLD and you practically have the nuts HU, given that, if someone makes this bet on the river if your folding a7 your folding 95% of your range given the prior street actions to this bet.


Lefort 10-28-2007 04:21 PM

Re: 10/20 hu river facing 2x pot bet
 
I agree that people use the word "polarized" too much, but this is a situation where it definitely applies. When players fire 2xPSB on the river, they are not merging their ranges, betting for thin value, or turning their hands with showdown value into bluffs. This is a hand that beats your hand, or it is a big bluff...


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