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thac 04-15-2007 11:51 AM

I river a disguised 2 pair - now what?
 
Villain is a semi-regular (dunno if saying names here are okay so I'll keep it hidden), and he's running at about 20/11 so he's kinda passive. My turn call was pretty spewy/marginal, but I figured I had around 12 outs (only counted my 2 pair/trip outs as .5 just in case he had a higher 2 pair or a set [is that wrong?])

Should I lead or check this river? And if I check, should I raise this river or just flat call? I honestly have no idea what villain has.. flop check and turn raise was kinda fishy to me.


Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

<u>Hero (SB): $101</u>
<u>BB: $120.15</u>
UTG: $97.55
<font color="black">MP: $87.65</font>
CO: $309.35
BTN: $29

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, MP calls $1, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.50, <font color="red">BB raises to $4</font>, MP calls $3, Hero calls $3

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($12) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP checks

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($12) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $6</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $15</font>, MP folds, Hero calls $9

<font color="black">River:</font> ($42) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BB bets $21</font>

tannenj 04-15-2007 11:55 AM

Re: I river a disguised 2 pair - now what?
 
i also have no idea what he has, which means there's probably a good chance he has some kind of air. i'm just calling river (and i like the check).

Abramovic 04-15-2007 11:56 AM

Re: I river a disguised 2 pair - now what?
 
Strange line from BB. Id expect a reg to bet flop with a strong Ace or 99. I dont think 11 pfr raises 33 or 22 PF here.

Turn bet is too small, turn call is OK I think. Lead river is better than C/C...

Al_Money 04-15-2007 11:58 AM

Re: I river a disguised 2 pair - now what?
 
I like leading this flop.

As played, your turn bet is too small, but I like your river play. Now call.

Abramovic 04-15-2007 12:00 PM

Re: I river a disguised 2 pair - now what?
 
Why do people prefer c/c river to lead?

I prefer lead because if he has raised turn for protection from flush draw, he may check an ace behind on the river. I cant understand why he'd play the turn like that with air.

Al_Money 04-15-2007 12:06 PM

Re: I river a disguised 2 pair - now what?
 
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Why do people prefer c/c river to lead?

I prefer lead because if he has raised turn for protection from flush draw, he may check an ace behind on the river. I cant understand why he'd play the turn like that with air.

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So are you bet/calling or bet/folding?

Abramovic 04-15-2007 12:06 PM

Re: I river a disguised 2 pair - now what?
 
B/F for sure.

thac 04-15-2007 12:09 PM

Re: I river a disguised 2 pair - now what?
 
So then why wouldn't a check/call be better? If villain decides I am bluffing a missed draw and raises with his raggedy ace, we fold the best hand.

I really don't think villain has much, but I've been wrong many times before so wouldn't a check/call to induce a bluff be best?

Abramovic 04-15-2007 12:11 PM

Re: I river a disguised 2 pair - now what?
 
Villain would have to be a retard to raise a bluff with a rag ace.

I dont think villain bluff raises this turn very often, although he may be more willing to do that after your weak bet.

thac 04-15-2007 12:17 PM

Re: I river a disguised 2 pair - now what?
 
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Villain would have to be a retard to raise a bluff with a rag ace.

I dont think villain bluff raises this turn very often, although he may be more willing to do that after your weak bet.

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By rag ace, I meant something like AJ, one pair that may or may not be good in his eyes. And yeah I agree my weak turn bet can cause a bluff raise.


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