6.50 - Tricky spot with JJ
 

For some reason the HH isn't showing stacks. Assume hero and villian are both around 1500. Early and no reads on villian.

Full Tilt Poker Game #4153953475: $6 + $0.50 Sit & Go (Turbo) (31541219), Table 1 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:44:45 ET - 2007/11/12



Dealt to MrDannyOcean [J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]

jecogne raises to 90
2 folds
MrDannyOcean raises to 275
5 folds
jecogne calls 185

*** FLOP *** [8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]

jecogne checks
MrDannyOcean checks

*** TURN *** [8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] [A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
jecogne checks
MrDannyOcean checks

*** RIVER *** [8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] [5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
jecogne bets 90
MrDannyOcean calls 90


I'd like thoughts on all streets. Do you normally flat call or 3bet this preflop?

After I 3bet, I was concerned that betting out only gets called by better hands. If his range for calling my 3bet is somewhat tight, like 77+ AJ+, and i fire at the flop, i'm only getting value from TT, and the rest of the hands that beat me call or raise and hands that I beat fold, so i thought about trying to c/c the flop and induce his worse hands to bet out. Is this approach totally awful? because i normally hate checking to slowplay, but this time i didnt think betting had much value.

On the turn, i just let all of his Ace hands get there. hooray.

River bet is strange, but i'm at least calling this. anybody ever raise this random little bet?

Re: 6.50 - Tricky spot with JJ
 

it seems like your getting way into some fps 3betting pre/checking overpair on flop.. cut it out.

flat pre.

as played defffffffffly bet 3/4ths on flop. at this level you are defly getting value from more hands than TT.

as played check turn.

as played defly just call river.

Re: 6.50 - Tricky spot with JJ
 

3 betting is good preflop, sometimes I'll flat out of the blinds or in position where I'm doing more setmining vs good regulars. Flop once you 3bet pre is a mandatory bet. Other streets are ok. You don't want overs to fall on the turn and you've done nothing to protect your hand.

Re: 6.50 - Tricky spot with JJ
 

i know people like to make inferences on what people will call and fold with, but at this level one generally cannot make the same inferences, which is why i usually have no problem betting the flop. flat call or rr pf is fine IMO.

once you decide to 3 bet, letting him take a turn (by checking flop) when a bunch of cards either kill your action or put you way behind is pretty sucky IMO vs someone who likely sucks as is. i think there are plenty of hands that readless 6.50 players will play big pots with here and I would just go with the hand, youre good a lot more than you seem to think.

as played after the flop action, sure.

Re: 6.50 - Tricky spot with JJ
 

I'd flatcall pf. Bet the flop.

Re: 6.50 - Tricky spot with JJ
 

if hes raising utg and a known i think a flat is good, other than that i would usually 3 bet, but you absolutely have to bet flop, really doesn't make sense to raise then check behind you will still action from tons of worse hands