overbet river bluff
 

josh3336 and I dont have too much history before this hand one way or another. TAG images all around.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $5/$10 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

td8507: $1,042.00
pickpocketted: $731.00
josh3336: $1,117.00
Hero: $1,191.00
esoteric8: $1,000.00
Juice Crusade: $2,196.50

Preflop: Hero is dealt 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">josh3336 raises to $35.00</font>, Hero calls $35.00, 2 folds, td8507 calls $30.00, pickpocketted folds

Flop: ($115) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
td8507 checks, <font color="red">josh3336 bets $70.00</font>, Hero calls $70.00, td8507 folds

Turn: ($255) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
josh3336 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $175.00</font>, josh3336 calls $175.00

River: ($605) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
josh3336 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets all-in for $911.00</font>

Re: overbet river bluff
 

I'd like it more if villain didn't hate folding so much

Re: overbet river bluff
 

i guess it's good, but wouldn't you 3 ball AK preflop? i think you get looked up here.

Re: overbet river bluff
 

i think you're getting looked up here way too much, and the overbet shove does not add any credibility whatsoever. in fact, it probably takes away credibility since he knows that you probably don't put him on AQ+, which would make overbet shoving a ridiculous move since he's folding just about everything

yeah you can rep JT but that's it, if i had AJ here i don't think i'd fold

Re: overbet river bluff
 

I hate this. Esp vs josh. If he mucked it was because he had total air

Re: overbet river bluff
 

i don't think this is bad--your line looks really strong. i suppose a lot comes down to if he's seen you slowplay big flopped hands in the past...otherwise he might be like "WTF, he has JT or nothing."

Re: overbet river bluff
 

what do you try to rep here? JT?
do you normally overbet the nuts at the river too?

is raise flop here also a alternative?
i mean which very strong hand would play pf and flop this way?

hm only hand that make sense is JT (if you play JT this way) or a bluff but aren't there way more hands that could bluf here than JT's who overvaluebet here?

Re: overbet river bluff
 

i did something like this on a 323K6 board the other day. I like it alot better on that board bc you fold out so many pp's. here. Maybe you'll fold out ATss, but JT hit, and most everything else has 2pair+, and those are good hands, and people like to call!

Re: overbet river bluff
 

of course he has a big hand (or at least theyre a significant part of his range), that much is obvious to both of us, and thats why i overbet shoved. if he knows i know he has a big hand and i overbet shove, doesnt it seem like i want a call?

i guess i'm just overthinking things when even good players are just going to say durrrrrrrr i gots two pairs i cant fold them. meh. remind me never to bluff any of yall ever again.

Re: overbet river bluff
 

only great hand that really makes sense for you is JT