nl50 - turn spot with tpnk and 4flush
 

hi guys, i thought this turn was a tough spot. my image is tag and i have no read on the other guys; but they're not terrible.

nl50 fr online, playing 7 handed

Hero ($48.25)
UTG ($62.20)
MP1 ($23.85)
MP2 ($8.30)
CO ($53.60)
Button ($57.30)
SB ($20.20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
MP1 calls $0.50, The calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1.75) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.75</font>, UTG calls $1.75, MP1 calls $1.75.

Turn: ($7) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, UTG calls $7, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 goes all in for $21.6</font>, Hero ?

so there's 42 in the pot and it's 14 back to me with someone to act behind me. the problem is with the paired board i have to consider one of them on trip 7s or a better queen at least and if they're full then my flush outs are gone too and i'm drawing basically dead.

what do you guys take into account / do as your default play here against unknowns?

thanks.

Re: nl50 - turn spot with tpnk and 4flush
 

This is a fold.
3 handed it is worse than HU but UTG doesn't usually have much of a hand here so he isn't a huge concern.

Flush outs are pretty weak, you are only hitting about 1/5 times.
My math may be a little off but basically if it was HU then you have to be good only like 1/4 to call (14 to win 56).
If you are behind and flush outs are clean then it is slightly less, 1/3.6 or something.

Meh, this isn't as clear as I thought at first. He could have QJ or something and you have outs to split as well.

I just don't see him floating the flop and picking up a spade draw or something with so short a stack. I think he has to have you beat here almost always.
Just fold

Re: nl50 - turn spot with tpnk and 4flush
 

I actually think this is a call and I like to fold alot. I also hate your betsizing.

Re: nl50 - turn spot with tpnk and 4flush
 

chargers, care to elaborate?

on the flop i figure i have a monster and hope to get raised so i can 3bet big. i feel like even a smaller bet won't get called by random trash really.

on the turn i guess i could have bet less but i don't really see why.

sometimes when i bet pot or closer to it and then my opponents react strongly i find that it can help me make my decisions.

Re: nl50 - turn spot with tpnk and 4flush
 

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on the turn i guess i could have bet less but i don't really see why.

[/ QUOTE ]your equity is less and you don't want to get raised here.

Re: nl50 - turn spot with tpnk and 4flush
 

i guess i can bet 5 and still betfold pretty confidently is i guess what you're getting at? i'm folding to a raise either way so i can save the few bucks - makes sense.

Re: nl50 - turn spot with tpnk and 4flush
 

Pretty much, you have showdown value but if you're raised you're toast. I'd like to set my own price (not the pot) for my draw and evaluate after I see the action.

Re: nl50 - turn spot with tpnk and 4flush
 

cool - thx for the help