100NL: 5 Bet Shove or Call with KK?
 

With 100 BB stacks, can I ever make a different play than 5 bet shoving all in with this hand? If I decide to just call, I believe it gives him a chance to catch up on the flop. BUT it also makes it incredibly obvious what my holdings are. KK,AA almost always. Villain is 21/18/5 over 400+ hands.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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BTN: $185.15
Hero (SB): $107.50
BB: $160.35
UTG: $97.60
CO: $14

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $3.50</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $11.50</font>, BB folds, <font color="red">UTG raises to $33</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $107.50 and is All-In</font>

Re: 100NL: 5 Bet Shove or Call with KK?
 

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With 100 BB stacks, can I ever make a different play than 5 bet shoving all in with this hand?

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Yes, you COULD call b/c villain could put you on QQ+, AK. While also giving him the opportunity to make mistakes post flop. Calling is also very good if you believe he will fold JJ/QQ/AK to your 5 bet shove.

Re: 100NL: 5 Bet Shove or Call with KK?
 

Shove it!

Seriously though if he has AA there is not much you can do. Say you just call leaving around $70 in the pot and the flop comes out &lt; Q high you have to call and all in getting around 2:1

Even worse would be if an A flops and he goes all in and now he may be making a move (not a good situation).

Re: 100NL: 5 Bet Shove or Call with KK?
 

i almost always call here

Re: 100NL: 5 Bet Shove or Call with KK?
 

Did villain have KK in also in this hand?

Re: 100NL: 5 Bet Shove or Call with KK?
 

Okay, say you call of instead of shove the 60bbs.

1) Say an Ace doesn't flop. Do you check?

2) Say an Ace flops, You Lead? You've already invested 40bbs into the pot pf.

Re: 100NL: 5 Bet Shove or Call with KK?
 

I guess if I was villain, he's only calling the 5 bet shove with KK-AA. Maybe at worst AK...

Re: 100NL: 5 Bet Shove or Call with KK?
 

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Okay, say you call of instead of shove the 60bbs.

1) Say an Ace doesn't flop. Do you check?

2) Say an Ace flops, You Lead? You've already invested 40bbs into the pot pf.

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We have 33 BB in the pot pf.

We have position so we have the luxury of seeing what he does on the flop first.

Re: 100NL: 5 Bet Shove or Call with KK?
 

5 bet shove, unless you are really LAG is always AA/KK and villains know that too. getting it in pf isnt bad but i also like calling and getting it in on any non ace flop as well stat dependent obv.

also with him 4 betting and his pfr being from UTG, his range isnt very wide here, and its def not a huge calling 5 bet range either.

Re: 100NL: 5 Bet Shove or Call with KK?
 

utg 3bet less than pot...we r more likely to see QQ here...but i dont think that call here has really a big +EV difference than shove...so shove and avoid headaches...